[Marxism] "Winning" and "losing" in Iran, the USSR and the US (was: Independence is Not Nothing)

Louis Proyect lnp3 at panix.com
Thu Aug 10 11:29:48 MDT 2006


Yoshie:
>IMHO, it is a good idea for workers to demand better wages, etc.
>without their leaders getting associated with the Solidarity Center,
>for the SC can be quite dangerous.  But workers are free to take the
>SC's support at their own peril, just as I'm free to say that it is
>usually a path to self destruction and make that a litmus test for my
>support (such as it is) or lack thereof.  That is called freedom: you
>are free to make mistakes.

What do you mean by "getting involved"? The bus drivers went on strike. 
After the Iranian government threw them in jail, the AFL-CIO started making 
statements that they be freed. Thank goodness they didn't make boneheaded 
sectarian statements turning down the support of trade union officials in 
the USA.

>So, it's fine and dandy for a state to ban independent unions and
>forbid independent strikes provided that a state is socialist and
>guarantee employment?  That's not my idea of democracy or socialism.

I share your ideal of socialism. However, I can't go along with your 
proselytizing on behalf of a capitalist Iran that breaks strikes in the 
name of Islamic unity.

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