[Marxism] Re: No escaping sexualization of young girls

Richard Tan asquonk at gmail.com
Wed Aug 30 00:13:02 MDT 2006


As much as I agree with the general argument that corporate marketing aims 
at the sexualization of younger and younger children, I have to ask whether 
Rosa Brooks is writing this article out of the assumption that children 
ought to be desexualized in the first place, or at least desexualized in an 
organized, gradated fashion. At what age, exactly, are children "too young 
to understand the significance" of "sexy products", and what thresholds are 
they supposed to cross before they do? And exactly how should such a 
threshold be enforced?

It's not that I think the sexualization of children for profit should be 
advocated or even tolerated. I do think, though, that opposition to this 
sexualization can't proceed along the lines of positing some de- or 
asexualized state through which children proceed to adulthood through 
various layers of administration. Corporate images of sexuality and 
adolescent violence (carefully calibrated, domesticated images of 
rebellion, for example) seem to me to function precisely on the proposition 
that through subscription to such images one can overthrow such tutelage - 
just always in a vague and undirected fashion.

Perhaps, hypothetically speaking, Rosa Brooks would agree with this?

Richard Tan


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>    1. RE: No Escaping Sexualization of Young    Girls (Austin, Andrew)
>    2. RE: No Escaping Sexualization of Young    Girls (Austin, Andrew)
>    3. RE: Fascist Intellectuals (Sukla Sen)
>    4. Re: About that Nasrallah interview (Louis R Godena)
>    5. Turkish farmers challenge AKP (Louis Proyect)
>    6. Autonomist review of book on Iraqi CP (Louis Proyect)
>    7. Essays on Marxism and philosophy by Laurence Baronovitch
>       (Louis Proyect)
>    8. History of French CP? (Todd Chretien)
>    9. Cindy Sheehan (Charles Brown)
>   10. Re: History of French CP? (Louis Proyect)
>   11. SEP candidate Joe Parnarauskis demands inclusion in Illinois
>       election debates (Jerry Wells)
>   12. Re: Fascist intellectuals? (trusscott.foundation at virgin.net)
>   13. Re: History of French CP? (dwalters at marxists.org)
>   14. Re: Is BJP Fascist? (was Fascist Intell ectuals)
>       (Marla Vijaya kumar)
>   15. Re: History of French CP? (Michael Hoover)
>   16. Re: History of French CP? (Jim Farmelant)
>   17. Fwd: Trotskyism & the Mid-East Archive (dwalters at marxists.org)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:26:35 -0500
>From: "Austin, Andrew" <austina at uwgb.edu>
>Subject: RE: [Marxism] No Escaping Sexualization of Young       Girls
>To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
>         <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Message-ID: <344265AB274B0147A3D873A8FA2A37B002D0C53C at MSA.uwgb.edu>
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>
>Comrades,
>
>Please see my blog on this subject.  Rosa Brooks nails it.
>
>http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=10004614
>4&blogID=160292340&MyToken=0de3d4c4-505c-4043-bf7d-59e48f477966
>
>Andrew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: marxism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu
>[mailto:marxism-bounces at lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Huibin Amelia
>Chew
>Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:08 PM
>To: daplanning at lists.riseup.net; rus-discuss at toad.hcs.harvard.edu;
>sparc_boston at yahoogroups.com; inciteboston at yahoogroups.com;
>marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu; socialjusticealums at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Marxism] No Escaping Sexualization of Young Girls
>
>"if we want to get to the heart of the problem, we should obsess a
>little less about whether the neighbor down the block is a dangerous
>pedophile -- and ... worry a whole lot more about good old-fashioned
>American capitalism, which is busy serving our children up to pedophiles
>on a corporate platter."
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:34:26 -0500
>From: "Austin, Andrew" <austina at uwgb.edu>
>Subject: RE: [Marxism] No Escaping Sexualization of Young       Girls
>To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
>         <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Message-ID: <344265AB274B0147A3D873A8FA2A37B002D0C53E at MSA.uwgb.edu>
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>Comrades,
>
>I apologize for botching the link I sent just a moment ago.  It is
>easier just to go to my blog and scroll down.  There are other articles
>there that some of you might be interested in, as well.
>
>http://blog.myspace.com/socius_aa
>
>Sorry for posting twice on this, but I thought I might actually save
>bandwidth by acknowledging the error.
>
>Andrew
>
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:52:35 +0100 (BST)
>From: Sukla Sen <suklasenp at yahoo.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: [Marxism] Fascist Intellectuals
>To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu, Walter Gourlay <waltergo at comcast.net>
>Message-ID: <20060829025235.91657.qmail at web25802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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>The point made here is well taken.
>But it presents my view in a less than fair manner.
>
>The relevant portion ran like this:
>"The most crucial and conspicuous differences,
>however, lie in the set of solutions that it offers to
>the crises from which it draws its sustenance. While
>the socialist movements, by definition, have to put
>forward the agenda and vision of an egalitarian
>future, notwithstanding some vicissitudes here and
>there ­ at times serious, ‘fascism in opposition’
>offers the way out of 
>the crisis by brutalising and
>oppressing some ‘minority’, ‘vulnerable’ and already
>oppressed groups. While socialist ideals evoke the
>most sublime human values, fascism stirs up the most
>bestial ones."
>
>So while the fascist movement reqires scapegoat(s) to
>mobilise and inflame mass anger, 'minority' is only
>one  of the many options.
>Perhaps this formulation needs some greater clarity.
>Along with "groups", "segments and layers" better be
>added.
>
>Sukla
>
>
>
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:38:10 -0700
>From: "Walter Gourlay" <waltergo at comcast.net>
>Subject: RE: [Marxism] Fascist Intellectuals
>To: <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Message-ID: <004201c6cac8$bb583d30$6400a8c0 at WEG>
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>Sukla Sen:
>"Fascism in opposition offers the way out of the
>crisis by brutalizing
>and
>oppressing some minority..."
>  This point of view opens the door to the danger of
>confusing Fascism
>with
>racism.  In Germany, the two went together. But the
>archetype of
>fascism is
>in Mussolini's Fascist Party where, if you read their
>press when they
>were
>"in opposition" it is very hard if  to find any trace
>of racism
>(although
>this was certainly in the forefront during the war in
>Ethiopia after
>they
>took power.)
>If there was a scapegoat the Italian Fascists used it
>was the Italian
>working class, the Socialists, and in particular the
>union movement
>that had
>occupied the factories in Turin and scared the
>bourgeoisie with the
>prospect
>of  "Bolshevism." The desire for "order" was a major
>part of the appeal
>of
>Fascism.
>  Mussolini, as the saying went, "made the trains run
>on time."  He did
>this
>by harnessing the railway unions whose strikes had
>brought the
>transportation system almost to a standstill.
>  Also , borrowing socialist phraseology, Il Duce
>portrayed Italy as a
>"proletarian" nation that had been betrayed by the
>Allies at
>Versailles. The
>major mass support for the Fascists came from the
>unemployed and the
>middle
>class, mostly patriotic youth,  Any racism in the
>appeal of the
>Fascists at
>this time seems negligible.
>
>Walter Cliff
>(mostly a "lurker" but I felt I had to say this.)
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:08:38 -0400
>From: "Louis R Godena" <louisgodena at ids.net>
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] About that Nasrallah interview
>To: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition"
>         <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Message-ID: <098601c6cb6c$3e4e8e80$0202a8c0 at GodenaFamily>
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>Why?  Andrew Pollack posted this link three days ago.
>
>Louis G
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Louis Proyect" <lnp3 at panix.com>
>To: <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:47 AM
>Subject: [Marxism] About that Nasrallah interview
>
>
> > Snap Judgments
> > About That Nasrallah Interview
> >
> > By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
> >
> > On August 17 we published a very interesting interview with Sayyid Hassan
> > Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah. A CounterPunch reader had found it on
> > the Marxmail list, moderated by Louis Proyect, and passed it along to us.
> > The interview was translated from Turkish, in which language it had
> > appeared in the Turkish socialist daily, Evrensel, on August 12 and 13. We
> > didn't publish the full interview, which had some sections on the war that
> > had been somewhat overtaken by events. Of interest to us was the very
> > radical timbre of Nasrallah's language and his remarks about the world
> > struggle against imperialism.
> >
> > full: http://www.counterpunch.org/nasrallah08262006.html
> >
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:23:14 -0400
>From: Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com>
>Subject: [Marxism] Turkish farmers challenge AKP
>To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu
>Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20060829092205.02e93638 at pop.panix.com>
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>Mass protests by Turkish farmers
>By Sinan Ikinci
>29 August 2006
>
>On July 30, Turkish farmers held a 100,000-strong demonstration in the
>northeastern Black Sea city of Ordu to protest the policy adopted against
>hazelnut producers by the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).
>
>Demonstrators from nearly 40 provinces gathered in Ordu and blocked the
>Ordu-Samsun highway for almost nine hours, chanting slogans against Prime
>Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his leading advisor, Cüneyd Zapsu.
>According to official figures, 35 people were detained and 51 people were
>injured as a result of the police intervention.
>
>Hazelnut production is a major agricultural activity in Turkey, and in
>recent months hazelnut farmers have criticised the AKP for favouring
>business interests at the expense of small farmers, whose situation has
>worsened considerably. The farmers have pointed to the pernicious influence
>of Zapsu, who is not only Erdogan’s advisor but also has close ties with
>the hazelnut industry and other business interests. Zapsu is the chairman
>of the executive of the International Nut and Dried Fruit Council.
>
>The massive protest came as a shock to the AKP government, which has
>enjoyed popular support for the last three-and-a-half years.
>
>full: http://wsws.org/articles/2006/aug2006/turk-a29.shtml
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:25:48 -0400
>From: Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com>
>Subject: [Marxism] Autonomist review of book on Iraqi CP
>To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu
>Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20060829092509.02e914b8 at pop.panix.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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>My review of:
>A People's History of Iraq: The Iraqi Communist Party, Workers'
>Movements, and the Left 1924-2004
>Ilario Salucci, Anthony Arnove (Preface by), and Tariq Ali (Introduction by)
>
>Haymarket Books, 208 pgs. April 2005
>
>reviewed by: Stephen "Flint" Arthur (Baltimore NEFAC)
>
>his slim volume focuses almost exclusively on the activities of the
>Iraq Communist Party (ICP) and is a powerful antidote to the
>patronizing orientalism many leftists and anti-war activists have
>towards Iraq. Through the lens of the ICP, Salucci shatters the
>illusion that Iraq is a backward, undeveloped society dominated
>exclusively by a reactionary political Islam without any substantial
>leftist history. Revealed is a society that grows from a
>British-installed monarchy with an agrarian economy, through a period
>of communist resistance to the monarchy and colonial exploitation that
>was interwoven with tribal and peasant uprisings, to the labor
>struggles of an emerging industrial proletariat centered on the oil
>industry. Salucci illuminates this with a very useful chronology of
>events, many statistics regarding land distribution, domestic
>production, and occupational employment, and a historical narrative of
>the many strikes and uprisings during the twentieth century. Even with
>these other details, the text will not serve well as a general history
>of Iraq, as it is focused almost exclusively on the politics and
>fluctuations of the ICP. This is both a strength and a weakness of the
>book.
>
>The ICP has generally argued that it needed to support a bourgeois
>revolution against the monarchy and feudal interests in Iraq, that
>would then set up a bourgeois government which would develop Iraq on
>an industrial basis. The problem with this strategy* is that the
>bourgeoisie as a class in Iraq has always been weak and small, tied
>first to the interests of land-owning sheikhs. It was never able to
>seize the state or industrially develop Iraq.
>
>full: https://lists.resist.ca/pipermail/aut-op-sy/2006-August/005596.html
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:27:19 -0400
>From: Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com>
>Subject: [Marxism] Essays on Marxism and philosophy by Laurence
>         Baronovitch
>To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu
>Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20060829092650.02e91748 at pop.panix.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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>http://karlmarxstudies.org.uk/
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:29:04 -0700
>From: Todd Chretien <ToddChretien at mac.com>
>Subject: [Marxism] History of French CP?
>To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu
>Message-ID: <e562ea8b87394092cb638e702f30a409 at mac.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
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>Hi,
>   Anyone know of a good history of the French CP.  One that covers its
>roots, founding and the 1920's and 30's?
>
>Thx,
>Todd
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:55:30 -0400
>From: "Charles Brown" <cbrown at michiganlegal.org>
>Subject: [Marxism] Cindy Sheehan
>To: <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Message-ID: <B0069595278 at mail3.infoquesthosting.net>
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>Celebrating Irrelevancy!
>     By Cindy Sheehan
>
>
>     Tuesday 29 August 2006
>
>     Lying here in my motel room recovering from my 4th trip to the ER in a
>little over two weeks, and two surgeries, I found out from the Waco Tribune
>(Sunday, August 27) that I have become "irrelevant" to the anti-war
>movement.
>
>     At first, I was a little defensive about that statement. I didn't really
>think that the article was fair, because in the last two weeks, I have been
>really ill and I have spent more time in the hospital and recovering from
>being in the hospital than I have not. Camp Casey has been limping along in
>my absence doing some huge things (like promoting the GI Rights Hotline at
>Ft. Hood and protesting Karl Rove and counter-recruitment) that haven't been
>covered by the media, because the media follows "cut and run" George around
>the country, not Camp Casey.
>
>     But then I thought about being irrelevant and the implications of that.
>I have worked my backside off for the last year - traveling around the world
>speaking against the Iraq war and for peace and understanding. I have
>endured reich-wing smears and lies about me usually reserved for those
>seeking political office. I have been the subject of death threats and vile
>attacks on my character. I spent over ten months of the year away from my
>home and three living children. Being irrelevant can have its perks!
>
>     Why did I work myself almost to death, literally? Why did I endure all
>of the smears and attacks? Well,to put it in the words of the Trib, I did it
>to make myself irrelevant. Mission accomplished!
>
>     The article in the Trib pointed out that since public opinion is
>overwhelmingly against George Bush and the war and there is bi-partisan
>criticism in Congress against Iraq, I have become less radical and less
>relevant. When I sat down a year ago in a ditch close to the Bush Flying
>Photo Op Ranch, I was radical. I was one of the only people in the country
>calling the president and his administration liars. I was the only one
>saying the words "genocide" and "impeachment." I was one of the only ones
>publicly saying "illegal and immoral." Now senators, congressmen, movie
>stars, rock stars, Army officers, almost two-thirds of America and 95% of
>the world, etc., are saying the same things, which puts me in the middle of
>a very large crowd.
>
>     Thanks be to God for irrelevance. Now I can go home and get my strength
>back, spend time with my kids, and prepare for true and lasting peace.
>
>     Peace is the noble cause that I have been pursuing ever since Casey was
>killed.
>
>     Camp Casey will never be irrelevant as long as the military industrial
>complex runs roughshod over our government and our country. We are planning
>on turning Camp Casey into a haven, refuge, and sanctuary for soldiers like
>Lt. Ehren Watada who oppose this war and don't want to fight it. But Camp
>Casey will also be a refuge for soldiers who are far away from home who only
>want a place to come and stay for a weekend or a day.
>
>     The Camp Casey Peace Institute will also be a force for real peace. We
>will give young peace activists cash awards to continue their work for
>peace. We will encourage our families to think of alternatives to the
>rampant militarism of our society. We will be safe harbor for soldiers who
>get trapped in the vicious circle from GI Joe to flag draped coffin. Camp
>Casey will be a mecca for peace in Central Texas, where the dark war lord
>has his vacation home.
>
>     Peace will never be irrelevant as long as war is used as a diplomatic
>tool.
>
>     A huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders now. The anti-war
>movement is strong and thriving and it no longer needs a "face." I have been
>promoted to irrelevancy and am feeling pretty darn good about that
>accomplishment! The Iraq war will end with or without me and our troops will
>come home sooner than later. However, the war machine is already preparing
>for the next war as public opinion against this one will force a change in
>policy.
>
>     I am moving on up to the peace movement. I hope one day, in my lifetime,
>that war will become irrelevant.
>
>     --------
>
>     Cindy Sheehan is the mother of Spc. Casey Sheehan, who was KIA in Sadr
>City, Iraq, on 04/04/04. She is the author of Peace Mom
><http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=524468> , which will be
>available from Atria Books on September 19, 2006. She is also founder of the
>Camp Casey Peace Institute and the mother of three living children: Carly,
>Andy and Janey.
>
>   -------
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:02:52 -0400
>From: Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com>
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] History of French CP?
>To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
>         <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20060829120032.03186008 at pop.panix.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>
> >Hi,
> >  Anyone know of a good history of the French CP.  One that covers its
> > roots, founding and the 1920's and 30's?
> >
> >Thx,
> >Todd
>
>There's an out-of-print book by by Maxwell Adereth titled "French Communist
>Party: From Comintern to the Colors of France : A Critical History
>1920-1984"
>
>But I would look for Tony Judt's "Marxism and the French Left: Studies on
>Labour and Politics in France, 1830-1981", even though he is a typical NY
>Review of Books liberal idiot.
>
>--
>
>www.marxmail.org
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:13:30 -0700
>From: Jerry Wells <jeremy at infowells.com>
>Subject: [Marxism] SEP candidate Joe Parnarauskis demands inclusion in
>         Illinois        election debates
>To: Marxism mailing list submission <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Message-ID:
> 
><1156868010.4346.20.camel at pool-71-106-161-198.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net>
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>
>The Socialist Equality Party calls on all its supporters and all those
>who defend democratic rights to flood the offices of the Illinois State
>Board of Elections with letters of protest demanding that it place Joe
>Parnarauskis on the ballot. Emails can be sent to the Illinois State
>Board of Elections at webmaster at elections.state.il.us. Please send
>copies of all messages to the WSWS.
>
>The election board is required to issue its ruling at its next general
>meeting, which is scheduled for Thursday, August 31 in Chicago.
>
>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/aug2006/illi-a26.shtml
>
>FYI: Here is a copy of the email I sent
>To: Illinois State Board of Elections
>
>Subject: Place Joe Parnarauskios, Socialist Equality Party candidate for
>Illinois Senate from the 52nd District, on the ballot!
>
>Please accept this urgent appeal to place Joe Parnarauskios, SEP
>candidate Illinois Senate from the 52nd District, on the ballot for this
>November 2006 elections.
>
>We are living in the most dangerous of times! It is a time of multiple
>crisis! Scientists have forecast that Global Warming could threaten the
>existence of humanity. Futurists are alarmed that unchecked over-
>population trends will result in global starvation, wars for food and
>water, barbaric wars for diminishing resources (oil).
>
>The un-ending militarism and wars of the Bush administration are
>bankrupting the nation. The needs of the majority, the working people of
>the United States, for universal health care, good public schools,
>affordable housing, living wage jobs, etc. are being ignored.
>
>After two national elections (2000,2004) in which the legitimacy of the
>election results is a serious question, we are now facing this bi-
>election in November 2006. Despite massive protest by millions of people
>in numerous demonstrations in this country and worldwide, the
>destruction to this planet and it's peoples grinds on without end.
>
>This election may be the last democratic opportunity for the people of
>this country to express their concerns and register their desire for a
>change in government and in leadership. The role of third parties is
>essential to present the view that a better world is not only possible
>but necessary.
>
>Please restore some hope to what is left of the democratic process.
>
>Please place the name of Joe Parnarauskios, Socialist Equality Party
>candidate for the Illinois Senate from the 52nd District, on this
>November ballot.
>
>Jeremy Wells,
>Santa Monica, CA. 90403
>
>(Naturalized U.S. citizen (1995) from England. Registered to the Green
>Party of California since and voter in every election.)
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 12
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:15:32 +0000 (UTC)
>From: "trusscott.foundation at virgin.net"
>         <trusscott.foundation at virgin.net>
>Subject: [Marxism] Re: Fascist intellectuals?
>To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu
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>Charles Brown wrote: < As far as class and cultural leaders, the Crown Prince
>of England, and Henry Ford were Hitler and Nazi fans. Ford had a picture
>of Hitler on his office wall, sent money to the Nazi Party, published the
>alleged-fake Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the Dearborn , Michigan
>newspaper. I say old chaps : the guy who was to be King of England was a
>Nazi fan. >
>
>Yes, he was. A pal of mine when young overheard his father and uncle, both
>very high-ranking officers in the British army, saying that if Britain had
>been invaded during the war, he -- meaning the ex-King Edward VIII, then
>in exile in the West Indies -- would have been shot. The ex-Edward VIII
>was widely expected to have become a puppet ruler had there been a Nazi
>regime set up in Britain.
>
>One of the interesting things about fascism in Britain today is that 
>although there
>are the usual numbers of would-be führers doing the usual, there is nobody
>who could be considered an intellectual amongst them, and hasn't been for
>quite some time, unlike the 1930s when some people with undoubted 
>intellectual
>ability sided openly with fascism.
>
>When one looks at France (I'm just finishing Sternhell's Neither Left Nor
>Right), it is striking that it is -- as far as I can tell -- the only country
>in Western Europe in which authoritarian right-wing and fascist movements
>have actually attained considerable popularity since 1945. Poujade and Le
>Pen are leaders of each type respectively. Gaullism also had a rather 
>thuggish
>image in its early days, quite different to mainstream right-wing parties
>in other Western European states.
>
>Sternhell points to the numbers of syndicalists who, in the early 
>twentieth century,
>shifted from the left to the far right, either before or during the First
>World War. However, he doesn't say what he means by syndicalism. Does anyone
>have a good definition of what syndicalism meant in France?
>
>Paul F
>
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>Message: 13
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:20:17 -0400
>From: dwalters at marxists.org
>Subject: [Marxism] Re: History of French CP?
>To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu
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>Also, we're building a nice archive of the history of the PCF here:
>http://marxists.org/history/international/comintern/sections/france/index.htm
>
>And, much larger linked time line and archive on French workers History here:
>http://marxists.org/subject/france/index.htm
>
>David Walters
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>Message: 14
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:26:34 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Marla Vijaya kumar <marlavk at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Marxism] Re: Is BJP Fascist? (was Fascist Intell ectuals)
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>Sub: "Resisting the Fascists through Self-Organisation and
>Struggle: The Only Road Forward" by Soma Marik and Kunal
>Chattopadhyay of The authors are both members of Pratibadi
>  Udyog (Protest Initiative), West Bengal.
>
>   Eric, the material you had quoted is interesting and is 
> instructive  about how isolationist groups, without any record of 
> practical  struggles talk nonsense about major problems.
>   Anyone who harbours the illusion that fascism can not be 
> defeated   single-handedly is either ignorant of the history of struggle 
> against  fascism worldwide or is obviously living in some 
> self-constructed  illusion. Anyway much of what is proposed in the 
> referred paper is  interesting but devoid of a real basis.
>   Vijaya Kumar Marla
>
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>Message: 15
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:31:11 -0400
>From: "Michael Hoover" <mhhoover at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] History of French CP?
>To: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition"
>         <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
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>On 8/29/06, Todd Chretien <ToddChretien at mac.com> wrote:
> >   Anyone know of a good history of the French CP.  One that covers its
> > roots, founding and the 1920's and 30's?
> > Todd
><<<<<>>>>>
>
>two quite different books examining the period under question:
>
>Tom Kemp, Stalinism in France
>I read this book years ago, probably late 70s or early 80s. Some
>marxmailers may have comments about this one given either positive or
>negative assessments of the late kemp's politics...
>
>Laird Boswell, Rural Communism
>Published in the 90s if memory serves. Boswell is a U.S. historian.
>His book combines interviews with some folks from the era who are
>still alive and voting data...
>
>
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>Message: 16
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:42:00 -0400
>From: Jim Farmelant <farmelantj at juno.com>
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] History of French CP?
>To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu
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>On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:02:52 -0400 Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> writes:
> >
>
> >
> > There's an out-of-print book by by Maxwell Adereth titled "French
> > Communist
> > Party: From Comintern to the Colors of France : A Critical History
> > 1920-1984"
> >
> > But I would look for Tony Judt's "Marxism and the French Left:
> > Studies on
> > Labour and Politics in France, 1830-1981", even though he is a
> > typical NY
> > Review of Books liberal idiot.
> >
> >
>
>He is that, but Judt did have the gumption to call for
>a one-state solution to the Israel/Palestine issue,
>and was booted off the masthead of New Republic
>by Marty Peretz for that.
>
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>Message: 17
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:45:46 -0400
>From: dwalters at marxists.org
>Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Trotskyism & the Mid-East Archive
>To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu
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>In the encyclopedia of Trotskyism On-Line (ETOL), which is part of the
>Marxists' Internet Archive (MIA), we have just established a Trotskyism
>& the Middle East Archive. check it out at
><http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/index.htm>.
>
>Our definition of Trotskyism here, as in other parts of ETOL, is quite
>wide and we eventually intend to include not only works by people who
>came/come from a broadly Trotskyist background but also works that have
>been important for the development of Trotskyist analyses (e.g. the
>works of a number of Palestinian theorists who strictly speaking were
>never Trotskyists).
>
>We also intend to include works that will trace the development of
>particular theoreticians and groups - I personally am particularly
>interested in tracing the development (degeneration ?) of the tendency
>that has become the Alliance for Workers Liberty, so any early works by
>John O'Mahoney/Sean Matgamna will be most welcome.
>
>At the moment the archive consists of two sections: (1) books (most of
>those we have are already available elsewhere, but we hope to add a
>number of other works soon); (2) periodicals (we have indexes of all
>articles on the Middle East from New International (1934-1957), Fourth
>International (1940-1956), International Socialist Review (SWPUS
>1956-1970), Workers' International News (1938-1949) and Labour Review
>(1952-1963) - these indexes are linked to the articles taht are
>available on-line. We're working on Socialist Review (1st series) and
>International Socialism (1st series), but if comrades have any other
>suggestions we will be happy to take them up.
>
>We will also be including indexes of political tendencies and individual
>writers.
>
>If comrades would like to contribute any works that aren't available
>on-line or to suggest articles that we don't have but are on-line
>elsewhere please contact me at einde(at)marxists(dot)org.
>
>Our definition of Middle East is as wide as our definition of Trotskyism
>- broadly speaking from the Maghreb to Afghanistan and Iran and from
>Turkey to Sudan, Eritrea and Yemen. In addition we will also be
>including a number of studies on Islam, on the Jews and Judaism and on
>religion in general as well as on Bolshevik and Comintern studies on
>religion and the national question in order to provide background to
>contemporary debates.
>
>Please note that the whole effort is intended to be completely
>non-sectarian - the present selection represents what was available to
>me and the small number of other comrades involved in the ETOL project.
>We welcome new volunteers who wish to get involved either with the
>ETOL in particular or the MIA in general.
>
>Einde O'Callaghan
>
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