[Marxism] Conditions for entering Policing in North of Ireland
donaloc at hotmail.com
Tue Dec 5 05:21:02 MST 2006
No doubt you wanted to lure me into a discussion. I can say this much.
The condition that Gerry Adams expressed that MI5 should be excluded from
any contact with northern civic policing is actually a huge demand. The fact
that the Brit securocrats are taking it so seriously to build the second
largest MI5 base outside London in County Down is an example of the type of
negotiations that are going on at the moment. All the same, the Israelis had
to take down some freshly built settlements in Gaza after negotiations with
the Palestinians I remember.
Philip wrote > I loved this bit in the Irish Times article:
Mr Adams stated: "I am committed to calling a meeting of the Sinn Féin ard
chomhairle immediately when these issues are resolved. . ."
He is the President of the party and the Chair of the Ard Comhairle. It
meets every two weeks. This means that there will be an extraordinary
meeting of the Ard Comhairle to deal with this precise issue. He calls that
>All very amusing, too, when we know in advance that "Sinn Fein" (ie the
>Adams cabal and its sycophants atop the new, Provo version of the SDLP)
>will, of course, accept the Continuity RUC, otherwise known as the Police
>Service of Northern Ireland. Indeed, not only will they accept it, some
>members of the now disarmed and likely soon to be disbanded IRA may well be
>incorporated into it. Provided, of course, it has a 'mission statement'
>declaring itself to be 'non-sectarian'.
Your assumption that Sinn Fein will enter policing structures was pronounced
back in 2002 I believe when I first discussed this with yourself. You have
not learnt yet. Republicans will only enter into policing institutions when
they are certain that Brit state agencies cannot recreate a force within a
force. As yet, I don't see that as coming about. It could happen but I don't
see it right now despite everyone's hopes. The securocrats seem to have the
upper hand within the British government.
>And sure, wasn't that what the whole struggle since 1921 has been about? A
>mission statement declaring a non-sectarian northern Irish statelet and
It has been a core belief of militant Republicanism since the 1920s that the
six county statelet is built on inequality, maintained through inequality
and its existence is intertwined with the maintenance of inequality. A
recent report by CAJ (Committees for the Administration of Justice) pointed
clearly to the fundamental inequality which *continues* to discriminate
against Nationalists and Catholics. There has been a roll-back of the
unparalleled Equality provisions within the Good Friday Agreement since the
collapse of institutions. The six county statelet has no rationale outside
inequality and the object lesson of the last few years is that Unionism as
an ideology cannot accommodate the threat of equality or power-sharing.
Paisley signing up to power sharing only to decide against and then for
again is symptomatic of the fear that underscores political unionism.
Already his party is in divisions over all this. Clearly, equality with
Republicans at the heart of government is the weakest link and the means to
>We now face the spectacle of a devolved "Northern Ireland" government in
>which veteran arch-bigot Ian Paisley is, effectively, prime minister and
>long-time IRA leader Martin McGuiness (chief of staff, 1978-82, and a
>member of the Army Council ever since) is deputy prime minister. And a few
>other SF ministers to help oversee screwing over the working class.
First, the position of First Minister/Deputy First Minister remains highly
restricted in powers confined to only 'transfered powers' at present. The
role of the two positions is interlocked and all powers are equally shared
and implemented despite the titles. The potential of Paisley sitting down
with McGuinness in March has to be understood in the context that Paisley
will still not speak to any member of Sinn Fein/IRA as he calls them.
The issue of state power is of priority. Whether it is used to empower the
people or to disempower them is open to question. That is the struggle. The
primary question is the political reconquest of Ireland by the Irish people,
both nationalist and unionist, from the British state. Devolution of power
on the basis of power-sharing in the north is a step forwards on that route
particularly where radical Republicanism is at the heart of government in
the North. Furthermore, the creation of accountable and community-based
policing structures which have a clean separation from British security
agencies will represent a massive step forwards.
>If Sunningdale (1974) and the 1975 ceasefire were tragedies, this new
>set-up has got to be the farce. Although a nice little earner for the
>Adams cabal insiders.
Right now every elected member of SF gets paid national industrial wage that
is apart from those who work on a voluntary basis who get a small handout
every week for expenses. All elected members pay the difference to the
party. Indeed, some lose out on family benefits that people on the
industrial wage would be eligible for because their official wage is so much
higher. Some earner for those guys...
>Meanwhile, a general election is about six months away in the other corrupt
>little statelet on the island. And, after it, what's the bet that Sinn
>Fein will be the junior partner in a coalition government there too, bedded
>in with Fianna Fail?
Fianna Fail have made it clear that they will not sit in government with SF
not because of an aversion to the party's history but because of its
socialist politics which they consider an anathema.
>Years ago, the Provos used to call the SDLP the Stoop Down Low Party.
>Today, maybe we should call SF the Sellout Fakers party.
So how is progress with your Rrrevolutionary party in New Zealand, Phil?
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