[Marxism] More idiocy from Iran - and more contradictions?

John Obrien causecollector at msn.com
Wed Dec 6 22:13:36 MST 2006

Excuse me - but are the same people who are NOW attacking the Iran 
government leaders on this List, the same people TWO MONTHS AGO - who said 
that Gay activists were wrong to publicly challenge this same government, 
for its homophobia and carrying out murders and torture against Gays - 

Why is it that one can speak on this List, against the same Iran government 
NOW, for being outrageous over its denial of the actual extent of the 
Holocaust of the Jews in WWII, yet demanded TWO MONTHS AGO, that Gays to be 
silent for their ongoing treatment in Iran?

Are not ALL lives important - seems to be a contradiction here comrades?

I want to be loyal. so please tell me and the other trouble making and 
uppity Gays - Are we to continue to be silent in ALL our criticism, so to 
(?), we are ALLOWED to voice our disgust with the ongoing murders in Iran?

Let me close by stating CLEARLY - that I do NOT support U. S. miliary, 
economic or political attacks against the government or people of Iran, 
despite their homophobia, or anti-semitism. That every progressive MUST 
OPPOSE U. S. IMPERIALISM and not support any U. S. government effort, that 
is only to hurt the interests of poor and working people in Iran, the United 
States and the rest of the world.

I anxiously await to LEARN, why these two subjects, that are TWO MONTHS 
APART in this List discussion, are being treated DIFFERENTLY?

John O'Brien
Los Angeles

>From: Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com>
>Reply-To: Activists and scholars in Marxist 
>tradition<marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition 
><marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] More idiocy from Iran
>Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:16:05 -0500
>Walter wrote:
>>Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the speakers list is published 
>>before denouncing the event?
>There are no speakers who would be on the opposite side of a Deborah 
>Lipstadt or a Raul Hilberg that would have to say anything of merit. What 
>is the point of having a conference like this? The genocide has been 
>definitively analyzed and document. There might be differences over whether 
>5.5 million or 6 million Jews were killed but that is not what the NY Times 
>is describing. Furthermore, Ahmadinejad has shown a complete insensitivity 
>to these issues. He keeps sticking his foot in his mouth like Louis 
>Farrakhan used to and Iranians end up trying to explain what he really 
>meant. This is just a function of the crudeness of the people who rule 
>Iran, a pack of clerical millionaires whose servants in government are 
>verbally radical but utterly useless when it comes to the real class 
>struggle. For all their verbiage, they have had no trouble dealing with 
>imperialism in the past. That's why Robert Gates has been brought in, I'm 
>sure. As a principal in Irangate, he knows how to cut a deal with the 
>bazaari bourgeoisie.
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