[Marxism] Does socialism have a future in Cuba or China.

Carl Webb carlwebb at gmail.com
Sat Dec 23 22:13:15 MST 2006

But isn't this just a quantitative and qualitative difference.  It's
all relative.  You say China's been on the capitalist restoration road
since 1978.  I guess we can say Cuba didn't start down this same path
until after the capitalist restoration in the USSR.  Place and time
are different but they are both deformed workers' states.  Neither can
be said to be a state that is transitioning to socialism unless there
is a political revolution to oust the Stalinist bureaucracy.
Capitalist investment in Cuba will have the same impact as that of
capitalist investments in China in the end.


On 12/23/06, Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> wrote:
> >Does capitalist investment in Cuba have a different impact compared to
> >that of capitalist investments in China?
> >
> >
> >Carl
> Absolutely.
> John P. Sweeney, "Why The Cuban Trade Embargo Should Be Maintained
> Heritage Foundation, November 10, 1994
> None of the alleged "market reforms" undertaken to date in Cuba are
> true free-market initiatives. Free enterprise remains highly
> restricted. Foreign investors doing business in Cuba today deal
> mainly with Castro's regime. Cuban partners in joint ventures and
> mixed companies are approved by Castro as "safe." Moreover, unlike
> China, Cuba has barely started to open up its economy, and what
> little has been done to date has been permitted with great official
> reluctance and with the objective of assuring the communist
> government's political survival. China's economic transformation has
> been under way since 1978, when important agricultural reforms were
> introduced, including the right of peasant farmers to grow the crops
> they wished and retain some of their profit. Moreover, the government
> of China has encouraged the marketization of the country's coastal
> provinces, and since 1992 the Chinese constitution has incorporated
> the concept of the "socialist market economy." Although China remains
> a communist nation where political freedoms are sharply restricted,
> the ruling regime has permitted vigorous development of the private
> sector, thus laying the seeds for its eventual demise and potential
> replacement by a politically pluralist, more open society.

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