[Marxism] Correction

Nestor Gorojovsky nestorgoro at fibertel.com.ar
Tue Dec 26 14:51:08 MST 2006

Respuesta a:"[Marxism] Correction"
Enviado por:Louis Proyect
Con fecha:26 Dec 2006, a las 13:41

> >Isn't John aware that Great Britain had the same relationship to
> >Argentina that it did to Egypt, Ireland or India? While not a
> >formal colony, Argentina had been fucked over by Great Britain
> >since the 19th century. It was only natural for Argentina to prefer
> >the *Axis to the Allies*. Hitler might have oppressed Europe, but
> >it was John Bull that had left permanent scars in Argentina.

Louis Proyect is right in his deduction, but historical facts prove
him wrong. The Argentineans were, as a whole, anti-Nazis. Even
Peronists. Even Perón himself, who _did_ admire some State
institutions in Italy and Spain, but from the point of view of the
necessities of economic planning and concentration within a backwards
country (these institutions, BTW, are still alive in both countries,
or have changed little, generally through privatization).

Of course, during World War II there were not few Argies (not only
among the Army officers) who stuck to the "Enemy of my enemy" theses.
But they were not a majority, and Perón certainly was not one of 

However, it is true that some (untidily defined) "war criminals" were
allowed into Argentina during the late 40s, and among them some 
actual war criminals (particularly Croatians, not as many Germans: of 
these, the largest inflow seems to have been of German... Jews, see 

What is not said by the parrotting "Leftists" and "Democrats" who
follow the Tory line (Argentinean=Fascist) is that Argentina flung
open its doors to _whoever wanted to come_ from ravaged Europe, and 
in that condition it received the largest inflow of European Jews of 
the time, with the exception of Palestine (This pissed off the 
Zionists more than the abstention of Argentina in the UN vote on the

Moreover, the Jewish community in Argentina was never better off than
under Peronism, and it was under Peronism that Jews began to get to
public posts of importance. It should be noted that Perón's last
government was full of Jews (some of them "secret" -not a secret for
Perón- affiliates to the Communist Party) like the very Minister of
Economy José Ber Gelbard, no less!

It should also be noted that Argentina did contract former "Nazi"
tecnhnicians.  Together with these "Nazi" technicians, many of other
origins and ideas were offered wonderful conditions to come here and
display their knowledge, and they had it a lot easier than the locals
to become rich and well-to-do (e. g. Liberal, thus also anti-
Communist Polish technicians who had served Britain under Anders and
had been kept off their own country by events between 1945 and 1948).

These famous "Nazis" were not more "Nazi" than the ones contracted by
the USA or the USSR, and what the imperialists (even left-wing
imperialists) of this world don't forgive is that brazen decission to
behave _on equality_ with a full-grown power. Britain and the US, or
France, in this imperialist conception of things, can (and in fact
should) keep diplomatic relations or otherwise with, say, the Spain 
of Franco or the Portugal of Salazar. Nobody would brand them 
"Fascist" for that. But if Brazil under Vargas, or Argentina under 
Perón, attempted similar policies, well, of course, they were 

Moreover, while it is true that Britain did not allow many Nazis or
Fascists into the Island, they (a) had a good deal of such a weed in
their own garden only that tended to send them overseas (why do you
think Ghandi thought that "Western civilization would be a good 
idea": concentration camps were invented during the Anglo-Boer war, 
and massive flaming of entire towns was first tested in the early 
1920s by British commanders in Iraq of all places!), and 

(b) they did not need to bring all of the Nazis out of the Continent,
through the "ratlines" thus prepared, simply because it was more
useful to fund and support them either in the Federal German Republic
as officials or as agents and trolls further East, behind the "Iron
Curtain" (BTW, a curious example of the relations between Nazism and
Democratism when it comes to imperialists: this phrase seems to have
been coined in England at first, then released the world over by the
Nazi regime, eventually becoming a war cry for Britain and the US
after 1945).

More could be said, but I think this is enough.

OTOH, the idea that Perón created the National Meat and Grain Boards
is simply just another piece of misinformation, like many others I
will not stop to correct. In this case, however, it is important to
understand the relation between Arg and UK. 

These institutions, together with other similar ones, came to 
Argentina in British lining and with the intention to strengthen the
shackles that tied the country to London.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen! There _can_ be colonial Keynesianism. What
is so surprising, indeed? Free trade, in Britain, meant stronger
manufacturing, outside Britain it meant destruction of local
productions. In the same sense, economic planning and Keynesianism
were introduced in Argentina to serve the restriction of capitalist
growth, not its expansion. 

They came to us under that most oligarchic of all regimes, the one
which took place between 1930 and 1943, and installed a full battery
of state-interventionist measures to serve the necessities of 
Britain. These included the Meat Board, the Grain Board, diverse semi-
 official Corporations, the Central Bank, the Yerba Mate and Grape 
and Wines Boards, regulatory and stronger protective measures 
regarding sugars and molasses, strict policies of foreign exchange 
and foreign currency management (which in the end produced, together 
with some unavoidable protectionist measures, the undesired 
industrial results that provided the new working class which would 
end up supporting Peronism), etc.

Perón (who gave popular contents to the 1943 military coup which put
an end to the 1930-1943 age, known as "Década Infame", the Infamous
Decade) simply CHANGED THE DIRECTION in which the extensive system of
state regulation operated. 

It had been put in place -to not a minor extent by some former 
Socialists (yes!) like... Prebisch (yes! yes!)- to ensure British
dominance on Argentina and to avert the spontaneous development of
domestic capitalism (a task where it partially failed, as commented
above). Perón was not a revolutionary socialist, and he found it
reasonable to put the whole system he had inherited from the times of
the "Sixth Dominion" to serve the development of a self-centered
capitalism in Argentina which might act as a powerful lever to
establish a South American Union to begin with and a Latin American
Union as a final goal. Since the Arg bourgeoisie did not associate
with the regime, it was the State, through a new host of State owned
companies, that began to develop and further develop the natural
resources and industrial base of the country.

But, yes, Rother is right in one sense: all this happened long, long
ago. And most was destroyed. Peronism is not dying, however. It 
cannot die now for the same reasons ashes cannot burn. Peronism, in 
the classical sense, died the very day it could not offer a good 
answer to the question "And now, how must we confront counter- 
revolution?" This happened twice, in 1955 and 1976. 

What we have now is something different. It is not Peronism in its
core meaning, or its core meaning is so dilluted now that almost
anyone can claim to be "Peronist".  Thus, being "Peronist" begins to
mean nothing. 

But Peronism, as a constitutive feature of the Argentinean working
class (and may I say, almost "people" at large), is alive. The goals
of Peronism, now, will slowly pass on to new hands, to the hands of
those who have supported it without ever becoming Peronists, and also
to the hands of the new generations of Argentineans, those who begin
to grow in the post-2001 scenario where the whole cycle that opened 
up with the infamous bombing of Plaza de Mayo on June 16 1955 and the
disastrous coup of September 16 1955 began to come to an end. 

And if we in the National Left keep doing our good work properly, to
the historic flags (which many if not most "official" Peronists are
forgetting) of Social Justice, Economic Independence and Political
Sovereignty those masses of new Argentinans shall add two "new" ones:
Socialism and Latin American National Unity.

This process is beginning to take place in Venezuela. It will  
eventually reach Argentina. But there's nothing less in a hurry than 
a people doing its own history, as Zitarrosa said. At the same time,
time is just a delay of things to come, as José Hernández stated.

The King is long dead. Long live the King.


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