[Marxism] Boliva Discussion

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Mon Jan 9 11:48:43 MST 2006


rrubinelli wrote:

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Now as I am certain you know, when  put forward his April Theses, there was
more than a little grumbling from the Bolshevik hierarchy that Lenin had
become a Trotskyist.

^^^^
CB: On this relationship between ideas and actions of Lenin and Trotsky I
have the following from a couple of wikipedia notes.

First in the note on Trotskyism it is claimed that Lenin and the Bolsheviks
accepted Trotsky's theory of permanent revolution:

"This theory was accepted by Lenin and the Bolshevik party and guided their
conception of the Russian Revolution as part of the world revolution. "


(Trotsky advocated proletarian revolution   as set out in his theory of
"permanent revolution <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_revolution> ",
and he argued that in countries where the bourgeois -democratic  revolution
had not triumphed already (in other words, in places that had not yet
implemented a capitalist democracy, such as Russia before 1917), it was
necessary that the proletariat make it permanent by carrying out the tasks
of the social revolution (the "socialist" or "communist" revolution) at the
same time, in an uninterrupted process. Trotsky believed that a new
socialist state would not be able to hold out against the pressures of a
hostile capitalist world unless socialist revolutions quickly took hold in
other countries as well. This theory was accepted by Lenin and the Bolshevik
party and guided their conception of the Russian Revolution as part of the
world revolution. The Stalinist faction within the Bolshevik Party adopted
the theory "socialism in one country
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_one_country> " in 1924 in order
to justify making deals with imperialist countries and in order to advance
their own position and conception of Marxism by attacking the theories of
the current group of leaders (e.g., )Trotsky).

Then in the wikipedia note on Leninism it seems to contradict this notion
that Lenin adopted Trotsky's permanent revolution idea when it says:


"Lenin's constant theoretical fights with the Mensheviks, the moderate wing
of his own party, are especially notable, and Trotsky has been his most
prominent theoretical opponent. ( ! -  CB) The views of both have been
changing since the early 1900s, but they often found themselves in the
opposite camps."

And something seemingly different than Trotsky's permanent revolution
theory:

"Knowing that according to Marx's theories, a socialist system would be
unable to develop independently in an underdeveloped country such as Russia,
Lenin proposed two possible solutions:

1.	The revolution in the underdeveloped country sparks off a revolution
in a developed capitalist country (for example, Lenin hoped the Russian
Revolution would spark a revolution in Germany.) The developed country
establishes socialism and helps the underdeveloped country do the same. 
2.	The revolution happens in a large number of underdeveloped countries
at the same time or in quick succession; the underdeveloped countries then
join together into a federal state capable of overcoming the opposition of
capitalist countries and establishing socialism. This was the original idea
behind the foundation of Lenin's Russia later renamed the Soviet Union to
demonstrate to the rest of the world the validity of his control."

Number two sounds like a candidate thesis for South America today.








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