[Marxism] Resolutionary Socialism
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Sat Jul 22 14:46:21 MDT 2006
On 7/22/06, Yoshie Furuhashi <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/22/06, Sayan Bhattacharyya <bhattach at umich.edu> wrote:
> > On 7/21/06, Yoshie Furuhashi <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The way I look at it, our job here is not to lay out what ideals the
> > > Iranian people ought to aspire to, what principles should motivate
> > > them, etc. That's for them to decide.
> > True, but one could say the same thing about the US. Why should we lay
> > the ideals that we think people in the US ought to follow? If
> > white men in large numbers vote for George W. Bush and objectively
> > (what we see as) their own class interests (as they have done in the
> > two elections), and I'm a middle-class academic, shouldn't I just say
> > (following this line of thinking): "My job is not to say what
> > men ought to aspire to. My job is to make sure that they have the
> ability to
> > self-determine. If they have freely chosen to elect Bush, well, who am I
> > say that they should not have done so?"
> > Why or why not?
> Well, I can talk to working-class white guys who voted for Bush or
> Kerry rather than Nader, in the language they understand (English), in
> the country both of us live.
> > most middle-class people (as at least some of us may be) are also quite
> > removed from working-class lives right here in the USA.
> YES! That's a huge problem. Most of us leftists live in cities
whereas lots of conservative working-class
> guys, of the sort who sign up for the US military, tend to live in
> working-class suburbs.
We could at least participate in the blogs and internet fora they read.
Keep introducing our views in right-wing-dominated arenas on the Internet
and new media. But we do not do so, I think, for the most part.
The conservative working-class guys are not going to come and read
Counterpunch or MRzine. So we may need to go to them, so to speak, to be
effective -- to the fora they read.
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