[Marxism] Re:Marxist analysis of US/Israel offensives

Yoshie Furuhashi critical.montages at gmail.com
Thu Jul 27 10:19:13 MDT 2006


On 7/27/06, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
> >
> > > One wonders why.  The reason, I submit, is our weakness, i.e., the
> > weakness of leftists in Israel and the United States.  That's what
> > makes our power elite greedy and go out of control.
>
> There is no real settling of the options here, but I would opt for the
> opposite. Leftists in the u.s. and elsewhere are weak because for 60
> years capitalism (and in particular u.s. capitalism) has been so strong.

On 7/27/06, Marvin Gandall <marvgandall at videotron.ca> wrote:
> > One wonders why.  The reason, I submit, is our weakness, i.e., the
> > weakness of leftists in Israel and the United States.  That's what
> > makes our power elite greedy and go out of control.
>
> Do you really, really, believe this? The weakness of the left in these
> countries is an historical problem, not a subjective one which can somehow
> be willed away.

Well, that's true, but, accepting that objective reality, we ought to
think about how we can begin to change it.  Instead, leftists have
gotten so used to our weakness that we have become resolutionary
socialists -- we issue resolutions condemning this or that, quite
often what other governments do! -- without taking even _the first
baby step_ toward us taking power here, not even at the level of
analysis, e.g., analyzing our objective conditions, proposing what
kind of capacity-building projects we might undertake, and circulating
the proposal to discuss it (the sort of thing that Sam Gindin does,
but he's an exception to the rule on the North American left -- I like
what he does, even when I can't accept all that's in his proposal).

BTW, I had something concrete in mind, too: Uri Avnery had no business
spreading illusions about Amir Peretz!
<http://www.countercurrents.org/pa-avnery310306.htm>

On 7/27/06, Marvin Gandall <marvgandall at videotron.ca> wrote:
> Conflicts are not determined by the personal
> strengths or weaknesses of individual leaders, although obviously the art of
> politics is being able to correctly assess the relationship of forces, which
> dictates how realizable are the demands and whether a pause, retreat, or
> advance is in order. Factional disputes which erupt in popular movements and
> organizations most frequently turn on conflicting assessments of the
> possibilities

It's also the quality of each leader's base of support and how the
leader relates to the base and vice versa.  That's something that is
very important to look at but seldom closely examined by Marxists (in
part due to lack of information, to be sure, in the case of foreign
leaders).

On 7/27/06, Marvin Gandall <marvgandall at videotron.ca> wrote:
> > But the Tel Aviv-Washington axis doesn't want to do that.
>
> To date it hasn't. But the US and Israel are becoming increasingly
> frustrated by their inability to impose military solutions. So maybe they
> will scale back their ambitions and fall back on more "patient" means to
> advance their goals.

The NYT article that Les posted a while ago, which suggested an option
of attempting to peel Syria away from Iran, would be doable.  Were I
an imperialist, I'd do that.

-- 
Yoshie
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