[Marxism] re: I'm not convinced that Blacks are a nation within the US nation

Rohan Gaiswinkler rohanger at yahoo.com.au
Mon Mar 6 06:38:44 MST 2006

I have absolutely no interest in telling Black people in the US, or anywhere, how they should conduct their struggle and I have no wish to oppose Black self-determination.
  I just don't follow this line of logic:
  Black people see themselves as a people.
  Therefore they are a nation (subjectively)
  Therefore their liberation requires a national struggle for political control of the South of the US.
  Here is an alternative line:
  "Black people are an oppressed race, a people whose oppression is central to the American experience in every way (historically, strategically, economically, politically, culturally) a people whose struggle is central to the overthrow of capitalism, a people who will not find liberation until capitalism is overthrown.  (While having nothing to do with the idea of subordinating the Black struggle into the class struggle)"
  What is so wrong with it?  Is it not a contender with the "a nation, subjectively" line?
  I am really trying to keep an open mind on this, but I can't help thinking that socialism is a superior path for liberation than seperatism.  Yes it's not my call in that it's something for Blacks in the US to decide on, not me.  I just haven't found Fred and Joaquin's arguments very convincing on this issue.
  Rohan G.

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