[Marxism] US Blacks: caste, race, or nation?
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Tue Mar 7 11:22:34 MST 2006
In a message dated 07/03/2006 01:43:38 GMT Standard Time,
bhandari at berkeley.edu writes:
> I guess there is no argument then but what do you mean by ethnicity?
> What is the the singular African
> ethnicity of which you speak? I don't think the most radical neo
> Herskovitian exponent of African retentions would go so far as to say
> African Americans are an African ethnicity. I guess they
> only innovated American culture without becoming themselves of an
> American ethnicity.
People whose origin is the African continent. I don't think it adds to the
discussion to try and dessicate this historical origin into the sub-groups you
seem to be suggesting. Of course, generations of blacks having been a product
of American society has resulted in an African-American identity. This is a
wholly different thing than ethnicity.
slave labor is not exploited labor. wow.
In the context of this discussion, it is different. You have to separate
chattel slavery from the wage slavery suffered by workers. The human catastrophe
which was slavery demands it.
it does why? where have I negated that lack of parity? Moreover to
deny that African Americans
have been members of the working class negates that their labor was
the pivot for the economic
development of this country and the rise of the West which
retrospectively imagined itself
as autonomous and exceptional from the start. .
Yes, but black workers suffered, and continue to suffer, a double oppression.
And, yes, their labor was the pivot for the economic development of the US. I
African Americans are part of the American working class; they have
suffered burdens over and above simple economic exploitation,
resulting from the way in which they were singularly exploited. This
requires special organization and imposes upon the working class the
responsibility of integrating and uplifting its sisters and brothers.
Calling for their right to go away and set up their own nation is a
cop out, and a capitulation to racism.
The acknowledgement of the right to self determination, I consider an act of
solidarity. It is not for me, a white man, to tell members of the oppressed
black communities how they should resist their oppression. In my opinion, the
white working class in a lump have up to now failed to stand shoulder to
shoulder with their black counterparts in any meaningful way. The issue of
reparations is key here. As is the issue of police brutality and the low intensity
economic war that's been waged by the ruling class on black communities without
If the overt racism demonstrated by the State in the aftermath of Hurricane
Katrina isn't capable of bringing whites and other races onto the streets of
every US city in numbers in solidarity with its victims, is it pandering to
racism to point out that in the interests of their own defence, blacks in America,
rejected by American society, have every right to consider their future
within that society?
Pandering to racism would be to focus on the symptoms of the war taking place
against blacks and black communities - i.e., gang violence, black on black
crime, the gangsta culture and lifestyle which has taken hold - focusing on that
and attributing it to choice, lack of pride, self respect and all of that
The analysis I've offered here is based on the right of black Americans to
opt for an extreme solution to the extreme oppression they've endured since they
first stepped foot in the US.
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