[Marxism] Stan Goff, Bill Fletcher and the 2-party system

Mike Friedman mikedf at amnh.org
Wed Nov 1 09:20:24 MST 2006

Just to piggyback on Mark's response to Andrew, if we can agree that 
both parties are bourgeois and that the ruling class as a whole has 
shifted to the right since the end of the post-war boom, then it 
doesn't take a great leap of logic to realize that NEITHER the 
democrats nor the republicans will "improve the situation for people 
around the world." I don't buy the argument that the Republicans are 
qualitatively worse than the democrats. They support each other, 
their policies may not always be identical but they are not mutually 
contradictory and are often mutually sustaining (Clinton/Bush in Iraq 
and domestic repression), they depend on many of the same billionaire 
backers, etc. In EITHER case, it will take a mass social movement to 
force the hand of whichever wing is in power at the moment, that's 
what history has shown. The only thing you can argue is that the 
Democrats are somehow more susceptible to such pressure. But, the 
argument can be made that, in fact, the Democrats have used that 
illusion and the good will of their star-struck base to get away with 
legislation that the republicans could not impose. For example, 
Clinton's welfare bill.

>Message: 16
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:32:43 -0500
>From: "Mark Lause" <MLause at cinci.rr.com>
>Subject: RE: [Marxism] Stan Goff, Bill Fletcher and the        2-party
>         system
>Andrew Austin wrote, "I may be wrong about that.  But I think we all know
>that if Republicans remain in power, the situation for people around the
>world will not improve.  I cannot be a party to that.  That wouldn't be
>right.  So I will accept the risk and vote for Democrats."
>Why pretend that we approach every election like innocent newborns that
>don't know what's going to happen?  Is anyone leaning on Andrew's mental
>reset button?
>You know what happens when you vote Democratic.  It's no risk at all.
>You taking what electoral impact you have (pretty miniscule) and sanctioning
>what Democrats have voted for in the past term is dandy, and what Democrats
>say they stand for.
>And no Marxist should be any party to that.

Michael Friedman
Doctoral Candidate in Ecology, Evolutionary Biology and Behavior
City University of New York

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