[Marxism] Re: Some of my thoughts

Carlos Petroni cepetroni at yahoo.com
Sat Nov 18 11:18:59 MST 2006

In this thread there are more than one theme.  One is Louis's methods of running the list (in which I'm uninterested) and a couple of others defending the rigth to be a boring, one issue talker (I'm also uninterested on this as I think people should restrain from posting and posting on one or two issues and/or using the list as a bad  replacement for their lack of social or active political life.)

In the past, I would come from time to time to look for certain information about issues not covered in other places or an occassional discussion/polemic which may trigger some interesting points I may use in an article or just for my general info.

I learnt from some and I get used to delete without reading postings from WL, NG and couple of others, knowing as I do that they live in the past, repeat themselves and generally have no clue of what is going on in the class struggle or Marxism generally.

In the near past and at present, there are some interesting phenomena that should attract attention of list members and may make it interesting again. Oaxaca, Nepal, Brazilian imperialism, Venezuela, Bolivia, always Iraq, elections in the US and the left, the new role of new emerging countries (India, Australia), the deterioriation of bourgeois democracy, etc 

Instead, people insist to replace theoretical or political original analysis with old formulae, feel obligated to defend regimes or governments or simply talk about things they have no idea.   If they put some effort, I'm sure some people in the list can find some interesting historical, theoretical or political issues on which they may say something really original.  But I'm understand that they feel deluged and overwhelmed by a volume of postings which are no more than repetitive arguments of all times.

Some interesting points made by JB about the dying US left, supported for the most part by dying cadre, the discussion on class in itself and for itself and some others deserved little attention and got washed out by a ton of other mailings about nothingness.

The talk about democrats vs. no democrats is an example but it is far from being unique. Instead of looking with a critical eye what Morales, Lula, Kirchner or Chavez, people tend to adopt a party line, justifying things rather than challenging them.  I would love to see supporters of those guys actually talking about interesting things (like the corrupt bureaucracies and the institutions on which they sustain their political projecs -- is it possible a revolution based on the institutions of the old order) and opponents of those guys (or critics) talking about the occassional hit of one of those guys (like some government actions that may color pink what they otherwise they see as yellow regimes).

I hope to see more of that, and some cultural/literary/movie reviews beyond the mediocrity of present day American production.

That, and a significant lower volume of posts from the gang of four or five, will go a long way to revitalize the list.  It will also help if people does not feel compelled to win an argument (you cannot in a list), have the last word (we are not teen agers anymore) or using the methods of fast disqualification as if being a brute or a ideological hooligan is a synonimous with theoretical knowledge.

At any rate, those are my couple of pennies...

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