[Marxism] China and Stalin
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Jscotlive at aol.com
Wed Nov 22 10:17:26 MST 2006
In a message dated 22/11/2006 13:23:47 GMT Standard Time,
donaloc at hotmail.com writes:
where did you learn your history? The Trotskyist school of fabrications?
Ha, ha, ha...!
The situation in Shanghai
wasn't as simple as you present. Mao wrote that the repression was
aggravated by an overly lax attitude to relations with the Nationalists and
demilitarisation. When he got there it was already too late
At a period in history when the Comintern held absolute control over the
activity and tactics of communist parties internationally, Chinese communists
were almost begging Moscow to be allowed to leave the KMT and follow their own
path. Their entreaties were spurned by Stalin, who was intent on ensuring the
security of the SU through maintaining a status quo acceptable to the
capitalist West. At the same time, locked in an internal struggle with Trotsky and
the Left Opposition, he was hardly about to give credence to precisely the
kind of permanent revolution principles over which this struggle was essentially
Now this is fact. Anything else is complete and utter distortion, indicative
of an attempt to apply dogma to history instead of extrapolating lessons
Lenin's single most telling quote is 'truth is never abstract, all truth is
concrete'. That's where we must base an assessment of what they did right
and wrong on the ground. From their perceptions of reality.
Lenin also said that we 'mustn't throw dirt in workers faces', which is
precisely what you are attempting to do with this pseudo-Marxist historical
If Stalin contributed 'directly' to the derailment of the Chinese revolution
from 1927 to 1949. I suppose it happened to succeed despite him
I think that Trotsky is worthy reading in the period up to 1928 - when he
still had a grasp of what was happening in Russia - even if you don't have
to agree with him entirely. His writings after this period fall down I think
The Revolution Betrayed, History Of The Russian Revolution...both classics,
and both written after 1928. Moreover, Trotsky's analysis of fascism in the
early 1930s, his warnings to the German working class, stand in direct contrast
to Stalin's instructions to German communists not to join in an alliance
with social democrats to resist its rise when it was still possible to do so.
Trotsky's internationalism is unparalleled in history.
What is important is action. It is precisely that content of my emails that
you studiously avoid. Does that say anything about you?
Yes, action is important, I completely agree. But action to what end. I've
been following the thread on China over the past few days, impressed by the
efforts of some to portray what's happening in China as somehow in the service
of some socialist grand master plan. The social inequalities in China, the
rise of an economic elite, the outlawing of trade unions not sanctioned or
controlled by the government, all of this concrete evidence aside, the notion that
China is not now an emerging 'economically' imperialist power is fanciful at
best. Its huge investment in Africa, the huge sweep of acquisitions around
the world by Chinese corporations, the huge dollar deposits it has built up,
the high level of protectionism used to accelerate the development of the
Chinese economy and manufacturing industry, all this is not being done to
challenge US imperialism. All this is being done in an attempt to usurp and replace
US hegemony - AS A CAPITALIST POWER.
The only front lines against US imperialism at present are in the Middle
East and Latin America. China's path is one forged by a ruling elite over a
command economy that is being built on capitalist foundations, the govt acting as
a club to keep Chinese workers malleable the better to be exploited by
Chinese and Western corporations.
But, DoC's, your attempts to ascribe some master plan to China's abandonment
of socialism are hardly a surprise. After all, you have previously done the
same with regard to Sinn Fein's lurch to the right in the Six Counties.
Talk about trying to make a silk purse out of pig's ear.
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