[Marxism] Getting Over State Socialism's Crimes

Louis Proyect lnp3 at panix.com
Mon Feb 5 14:55:09 MST 2007

Roger Raven wrote:
>An arrogant view, expressed arrogantly, though a Neanderthal would have 
>been much more intellectual.   This sort of deeply self-centred and 
>stereotyped "reply", with its fatuities and deceits, is of course 
>worthless.    I've had more successful "private taunting" from little 
>children - who were certainly more open-minded and scholarly.
>Since you clearly do not want a socio-economic system in which the means 
>of production and the distribution of wealth are subject to social 
>control, whether through popular collectives or via the state, why are you 
>contributing to this list?

Let me jump in here and remind everybody that Marxmail is not the best 
place to discuss the "Russian questions". With occasional exceptions made 
for dispassionate scholarly investigations about some detail or another 
about the Soviet Union, we generally try to exclude debates over Stalin or 
Trotsky's legacy, etc.

If anybody is interested in having that kind of discussion, I'd recommend 
the Trotsky newsgroup at:


There might be some Yahoo mailing lists that also like to explore such 
topics, but I am not familiar with them.

But let's stick to the here and now...



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