[Marxism] Ultralefts side with colonial master against Irish people
lueko.willms at t-online.de
Wed Feb 7 14:43:32 MST 2007
On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:21:29 -0800,
wrote Danielle Ni Dhighe wrote:
on "Re: [Marxism] "We need to take control of policing and justice
away from London" - Adams"
Msg-ID <E1GtW3f-0001Yj-Qw at lists.econ.utah.edu>
> At 10:49 PM 12/9/2006, Lüko Willms wrote:
> >1. Who should control the police in Northern Ireland?
> >Select one of the answers below:
> I would choose: c) A cop is a cop is a cop -- it
> doesn't matter who controls the cops.
An our prime ultraleft muddlehead enhanced this statement by him
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:42:40 +1300, Philip Ferguson wrote:
> Actually, the idea that extending some measure of local government
> control of cops makes the cops a non-repressive force is more
> than having the cops directly under the control of the Brits, where it
> is absolutely clear what their function is.
I thought that the debate would be terminated by this clear and open
taking sides with the British imperialists, but the current barrage of
helpless protests says otherwise.
Danielle Ni Dighe continued:
> The Gardai in the South of Ireland are every bit as
> repressive towards republicans as the
That's what Sinn Fein is saying, and acting against.
> Police exist to uphold the existing
> order of capitalism and imperialism.
> Only a reformist would think otherwise.
Not so, police as part of the state appatus, or even its core ("a gang
of armed men with material appendices like prisons etc" - Engels) is to
uphold the rule of the class is serves. In a workers state like Cuba, it
serves to uphold the rule of the working class -- which is allied with
other producing classes -- and to defend the national independence of
Cuba _against_ imperialism and _against_ capitalism.
To think otherwise is the emptyness of anarchism.
There is, of course, not only this general idea of the cops "in final
analysis", but also the popular perception, that one needs some
institution to stop thieves, burglars, rapers, and what have you, or
just regulating traffic and registering car accidents. I found in my
discussions over the past decades that many people think that this is a
useful function of the cops, and that they want that.
The Sinn Fein resolution addresses these concerns, and stipulates
that such a police service must be a) impartial (seen under the Irish
experience with the Orange State), b) not under London's control, but
under the control of the local community.
What Mr. Ferguson rejects, because he prefers the imperialist master
to the popular whishes for a police of the people, by the people, and
for the people, if I may paraphrase A. Lincoln's famous Gettysburg
formula of democracy.
This is the "strategy of transitional demands" in a situation where
there is no general pre-revolutionary mobilization, and no workers
self-defense groups are springing up everywhere, creating a situation of
In how far the unionist, or rather the protestand community of
Northern Ireland is considered by Sinn Fein -- I will address that issue
in another message, responding to "a friend of mine", er, of Ph.
Ferguson "in the leadership of the IRSP".
> In case you missed it, all SF has ever done is
> talk about revolution in theory. In practice,
> they've done nothing to advance revolution and,
> indeed, are doing everything they can to drag
> their supporters into electoral reformism where
> the power of the masses is replaced by the power
> of elected bourgeois politicians.
In practice, they are leading the struggle on the ground, while you
like in the belly of the imperialist monster USA, and I happen to live
And, please spare me the demand raised in some other email of past
December, where I was warned not to contradict the pronouncements of our
dear Danielle Ni Dhighe, because she belongs to a political movement
which has lost many members in the struggle -- let it be known that I
belong to the German and international workers movement which has lost
millions of members and fighters in a myriad of battles, victories and
defeats. So, please, let nobody contradict me! :-))
And I like to repeat this quote -- who was quoted? -- that in theory,
theory and practice are not different, but in practice they are...
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