[Marxism] The class nature of the Chinese state

Paula Paula_cerni at msn.com
Sat Oct 20 21:08:20 MDT 2007

Joaquin wrote (in response to Haines):

>Why are you laboring under the impression that you said ANYTHING?
[snip the rude bits ;-)]
>Apart from that, I haven't gotten a clue what you're saying ...

Joaquin is dragging into the gutter a discussion of a vital issue in world 
politics. Haines' point is clear, and I agree with it. We cannot discuss 
whether China is capitalist (or imperialist) without having a theory of 
capitalism (or imperialism), in addition to the empirical data.

It is fair to say that Joaquin's approach is not terribly theoretical. This 
is how he defined imperialism under the 'Is China imperialist?' thread:

>Excuse me, but "imperialism" is not about "uneven development." It is about
>the division of the world between a handful of depraved ecocidal rapist
>savage nations, mostly infested by descendants of people too stupid to get
>out of Europe when the last ice age came, and a big majority of oppressed
>and exploited peoples, nations and territories.

Judge for yourselves whether this definition belongs in a scientific 
treatise or, indeed, in a locker room.

China is today the workshop of the world, as Britain was in the nineteenth 
century, and the US in the twentieth. The value produced by Chinese workers 
keeps the world economy going. To argue, in these conditions, that China is 
not capitalist, is to argue that the world economy is no longer capitalist, 
in any meaningful sense of the word.

Furthermore, China's position as the world's foremost producer compels her 
ruling class to pursue imperialist policies. Lenin defined imperialism as 
'monopoly capitalism'. China already has, in effect, the largest 
monopolistic stake over global manufacturing production.  It is now trying 
to do what any other imperialist power in the same position would do - to 
extend and consolidate that stake in the economic, political and military 
realms. This necessarily sharpens conflicts between China and her rivals; a 
dynamic that is becoming more obvious every day.

Some people have raised the 'Taiwan question'. Quite rightly, because this 
is one of the likely areas where the US-China rivalry might explode into the 
open, potentially in a very violent way. My own approach follows logically 
from the theory of imperialism and from my analysis of the current 
situation. Socialists all over the world, but especially in China, should 
support Taiwan's right to self-determination.

Anyone who understands the seriousness of these issues, and wants a real 
discussion of them, should be reading (or re-reading) Lenin's texts 
'Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism'; and 'The Right of Nations to 
Self-Determination.' Urgently.

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