[Marxism] Obama Campaign Network vis-a-vis the Democratic Party

Sukla Sen suklasenp at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Dec 11 22:20:26 MST 2008


In response to Mark Lause:

Mark Lause writes:
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Sukla Sen <suklasenp at yahoo.co.uk> wrote of "the
network" that elected
Obama, "it was definitely autonomous of the Democratic
Party machinery as such. Now there is an yet
unrealised threat to put
an end to that autonomy."
Unquote

This is what I wrote:
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The campaign network was of course never autonomous of
Obama even if it rather vaguely but (arguably)
spiritedly responded to certain positive aspirations
as captured in the call for Change linked to Hope. 
But it was definitely autonomous of the Democratic
Party machinery as such.
Now there is an yet unrealised threat to put an end to
that autonomy.
Unquote

Mark Lause further writes:
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.. you might have some arcane notion of "autonomous ..
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My response:
Would you please explain what are the various notions
of "autonomous" - "arcane" and "commonplace" - you are
aware of and how do these differ?

Mark Lause further writes:
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I don't think I've ever met anyone who would seriously
claim that the
Obama nomination as autonomous of the Democratic
machinery in the
sense of being independent or standing alone from it.
Unquote

My response:
Please explain the relevance in the context of my
observartion.

Mark Lause further writes:
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Do you think that, had Clinton won the nomination,
this "autonomous"
"network" would have continued to continued? 

My response:
Strange English!
But never mind.
In case of Obama defeat to Hillary, to my mind, this
network would have had not continued to exist in the
form it existed/exists. Most likely, the overwhelming
bulk would have had simply dropped out regardless of
the stand taken by Obama and his campaign team.
Unquote

Mark Lause further writes:
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Conversely, do you think
that, with Obama's victory, this "network" superseded
the Democratic
machinery?  Do you think the Clintons and other
leading Demcorats were
replaced by pod people or something?
Unquote

My response:
Please explain the relevance in the context of my
observartion.

Mark Lause finally asks:
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On what basis do you assert this autonomy?
What material indication is there of your claim?
Unquote

My response:
I had already written:
Quote
The campaign network was of course never autonomous of
Obama even if it rather vaguely but (arguably)
spiritedly responded to certain positive aspirations
as captured in the call for Change linked to Hope. 
But it was definitely autonomous of the Democratic
Party machinery as such.
Now there is an yet unrealised threat to put an end to
that autonomy.
Unquote

To further explain, the network was not a part of the
formal/institutionalised DP structure nor controlled
by DP structure per se.
In that sense it is "autonomous".
Lots and lots of volunteers have reportedly first time
participated in such political process.
And precisely because it is "autonomous" there is this
talk of putting an end to it and also signs of
resistance visible.

Sukla


      




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