[Marxism] work - ability - needs

S. Artesian sartesian at earthlink.net
Sat Jul 5 13:44:01 MDT 2008

But that's the whole point: wages are not and can't be based on creating 
"real wealth."  Wages are based on exchange value and that's not "real 
wealth," that's a class-specific wealth.  You cannot have communism, where 
wealth is directly social, determined by social consciousness,  and 
wage-labor.  You can have wage-labor as a revolution consolidates itself; 
you can have wages  as an interim measure.  But you cannot have a wage 
system creating "real wealth,"  when in fact, "real wealth" will be 
determined in and by the world markets.

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From: "Ruthless Critic of All that Exists" <ok.president+marxml at gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] work - ability - needs

> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Charles Brown
> <charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us> wrote:
>>  S. Artesian wrote:
>>> Nowhere in my reading of Marx did I find reference to a "to each
>>> according
>>> to his or her work."
> In the Grundrisse, Marx emphasizes that "the creation of real wealth
> ... is itself out of all proportion to the direct labor time spent on
> their production". (This is part of the famous passage about "The
> General Intellect" in the Grundrisse.)
> So if wages are to be a reward for creating "real wealth", then it
> does not make sense to pay the same wage for every unit of labor-time,
> but rather, pay according to the real wealth being created per unit of
> labor time.
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