[Marxism] Nader's campaign and the call for a pure socialist vote

Mike Friedman mikedf at amnh.org
Mon Jul 7 12:25:41 MDT 2008

Dear Chargitz,

No, actually, you seem to be the idiot, but a disingenuous one. You're
really good at twisting folks' words and deliberately misinterpreting
their points. For one thing, no-one has said a word about "destroying the
democratic party." People have pointed to the need to challenge the
two-party monopoly. But, unless I'm misreading most of the folks on this
list, that isn't the end, in itself. In posts on a range of different
topics you can read (can you???), many posters have referred to the need
for working people to act in their own collective interest. And that is
the medial goal that socialist electioneering should have: to promote and
build a mass movement -- in the streets -- that can pose a challenge to
the ruling class. Such a movement doesn't exist, and no amount of
sectarian masturbation to the mantra of "socialism" will make it spring
forth. And that's why KcKinney, at least, -- who is NOT a socialist, but,
through her campaign, IS actively promoting movement building against the
war, for the victims of racism and Hurricane Katrina, for relief from
mortgage debt and foreclosures, is LIGHT YEARS more revolutionary than you
and your fellow left-handers (not to be confused with leftists) are.

> From: "chegitz guevara" <absynthe at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Nader's campaign and the call for a pure
> 	socialist	vote
> To: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition"
> 	<marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
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> 	<e1d1857b0807071054q4aa4bf51sbec66f3f6b2f59dd at mail.gmail.com>
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> Either you're deliberately distorting what I've written or you're an
> idiot. Either way, this conversation is a waste of my time.
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Mark Lause <markalause at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Amazing.
>> So you're running one of many teensey-weensey socialist campaigns
>> because, if the masses wanted socialism, they'd not be able to
>> organize a political movement to achieve it.
>> This is basically a socialism about how we socialists can feel better
>> about ourselves and nothing more.
>> ML

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