charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us
Thu Jul 10 15:58:19 MDT 2008
That's not the world of capitalism. We are not dealing with artisan
CB: Think of it as a small business in capitalism.
All labor in capitalism is not "unskilled".
The "shoemaker" under capitalism, and expropriated capitalism,
exists only as a product of the integration of various, varied,
multi-faceted social labor where time rules all, and the output of
determined not by the skill of any individual, but by the organization
the work components, constant, and variable.
CB: You keep ignoring Marx's discussion of "socially necessary labor
time" _in capitalism_. The "time" you talk about is a standard unit of
time for a standard unit commodity. That assumes the requisite "labor
power" including skill
So all that cannot be equated becomes equal through time. This is the
social element that a workers' revolution appropriates. Quantities of
values CANNOT be equated, not under capitalism, not under socialism,
than by labor time.
CB: False. It's not just "labor time". It's socially necessary labor
time, which introduces an element of standard skill level in the "labor"
The use-values are equated in the sense that the product must have the
qualities sufficient to be of use. There is an equalizing of quality,
or minimum quality, otherwise it's not a full use-value.
Then there are quantities of the same use-value. There is a standard
or average amount of time that average socially necessary labor will
take to produce on unit of use-value.
Capitalism organizes that under profit; mediates that
by exchange value; appropriates that by private property; survives and
expandes by aggrandizing surplus labor time.
Socialism strips away all that: stips away the private property, the
aggrandizement of surplus labor time through wage-labor and thus, in
first "phase" provides first for all social needs as a deduction from
labor time of all, and then provides for individual needs based on the
equality of labor-time.
This is fundamental to Marx's Critique of the Gotha Program, and
remarks in State and Revolution.
CB: Lets take a look at _The State and Revoluton_
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