[Marxism] Significance of McKinney-Clemente and Obama campaigns

Ruthless Critic of All that Exists ok.president+marxml at gmail.com
Wed Jul 16 00:03:40 MDT 2008

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Mark Lause <markalause at gmail.com> wrote:

> * Does a vote move someone "left" or reflect where they have already moved?

It's dialectical. The *process* of coming to support  a candidate
whose position is lefter than the person's initial position, moves the
person to the left.

> * In most cases, doesn't voting usually force people to ignore where
> they've moved in order to cast their ballot?

No, I don't think it forces people to ignore it.

> * What is "left"?

The usual category which is associated with this term in everyday
parlance, but for our purposes, somewhat more nuanced towards class
than race or gender.

> * By all the criteria you mention, for some people voting for McCain
> might move them to the left

Yes, possibly.

> * What conclusions are you suggesting?  It sounds like you're saying
> it's all the same, etc.

I'm saying that socialists should try to talk to people keeping in
mind where the person spoken too, is standing. An appeal in support of
McKinney will fall on deaf ears in the case of a person for whom
voting for Obama is the most leftwards travel currently ideologically
possible. If you are a socialist and if you are sitting on a plane
ride next to that person, it would be useless to try to talk to her
about McKinney or Moore or socialism. She will tune you out. But you
can talk to her about Obama and draw her a little to the left of where
she was before. That too helps in a little way.

Basically we should want everyone in society to move to the left of
where they currently are.

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