[Marxism] who abu hartal was...
markalause at gmail.com
Sat Jul 26 22:41:38 MDT 2008
Fascinating. Apparently, this fellow with such a soft spot for
liberalism is at Columbia University. He identifies where I work and
all but includes the contact information for my employers.
"Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sayan Bhattacharyya" <ok.president+foil at gmail.com>
To: <rajasekhar at columbia.edu>; "Forum of Indian Leftists" <foil-l at insaf.net>
Cc: "Mark Lause" <MLause at cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [foil] obama, taliban, al qaeda, terror in india
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Sekhar Ramakrishnan <rr6 at columbia.edu> wrote:
>> Obama wants to increase US and European military involvement in
>> Afghanistan, and to pressure Pakistan.
>> I also have below Obama's comments on Afghanistan/Pakistan during his
>> foreign trip, and Obama's and Sarkozy's comments at their press conference
>> in Paris. Sarkozy goes on about the Taliban oppressing young girls. Surely,
>> we care as well.
> There has recently been considerable discussion among leftists on this
> issue. See (from the public Marxmail archives), the contribution by
> Mark Lause (a marxist and a professor of history at the Univ of
> Cincinnati) on this issue:
> Source: <http://www.marxmail.org/msg45332.html>:
> "What suits the interest of the ruling class can, within very sharp
> limits, accomplish something like restoring rights to women by
> displacing the Taliban. Of course, those of us with an attention span
> will remember that the women of Afghanistan lost those rights largely
> because it was in the interest of the US to support the forces that
> established its rule there.
> "A liberal will invariably point out all the progress the US has made
> over the years on race or they will cite all the nice things the US
> has done for the Indians, giving them nice reservations, food,
> blankets, etc. What the liberals don't/won't see is the big
> picture.,..that the US took everything away from them first and is not
> giving what's really needed.
> "And it is perfectly capable of doing pretty much anything to anyone
> again if it decides its suits its purposes.
> "If someone were to hit himself in the head with a hammer repeatedly,
> there would be have to be intervals between the blows during which he
> was not striking himself. In fact, most of the time he would be doing
> this, he wouldn't actually be landing blows on his head. So would
> that make the policy smart?"
> -- Mark Lause,
> Source: <http://www.marxmail.org/msg45332.html>
> See also:
> "In terms of Afghanistan, and Iraq, the setting up of schools, rebuilding of
> infrastructure, etc., are all embarked upon with the primary purpose
> of ensuring US
> hegemony in the region - i.e., control of the region's oil reserves and oil
> transportation/pipeline routes. This has to be understood as the reason for US
> military and 'humanitarian' presence anywhere. The use of terms such as
> 'humanitarian intervention' are designed to manufacture consent and public
> support for such interventions at home, as well as an attempt at doing the same
> within the Arab and Muslim world, appealing to what they describe as 'moderate
> Islam' in order to divide the subject peoples.
> "Such infrastructure or reconstruction efforts benefit US and western
> corporations in the short term. The profits being creamed in Iraq and
> are obscene, involving over bidding, pricing, and corruption. The funds for
> such projects will ultimately be paid by the subject peoples
> themselves - in the
> case of Iraq, from their oil, which, with the connivance of the incumbent
> puppet Iraqi government, has been expropriated by US and global oil
> corporations. The same with Afghanistan and the passage of a gas and
> oil pipeline from
> the Caspian Sea all the way to Karachi in Pakistan.
> "A prime example of the kind of banditry I'm talking about involves a
> contract for a new road in the north of Afghanistan. The Afghan
> government put out a
> tender to a number of companies for the contract. The lowest bid came in
> from an Indian company. The contract was then given to a US company charging
> something like three times the price as the Indian one per km of road. The US
> company got the contract and subcontracted the Indian company to do the work,
> while they pocketed the difference without lifting a finger."
> -- <http://www.marxmail.org/msg45336.html>
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