[Marxism] Argentina: Coup-plotting oligarchs pose as democrats:they will not succeed!
sartesian at earthlink.net
Mon Jul 28 16:21:34 MDT 2008
No bait. Legitimate question. And the reason I ask it is I believe there
is a danger of making an artificial distinction is being made in order to
"ally," "support," defend a "real" an "authentic" "national bourgeoisie,"
which appears to be the organs of the government if they can be detached
from the oligarchs and the imperialists.
That being said, I think there are problems with both your formulation of
"capitalists" or "bourgeoisie," and oligarchs. You state:
"Capitalist ruling classes who not only fail to work in that sense are bound
by the imperialist structure of global capitalism today (and by mercantile
imperialism in older days) to act against all the tendencies of deveolpment
of capitalism that Marxism associates with the growth of bourgeois
Act against all tendencies and act against all tendencies forever? But then
how do we explain periods of relative growth in Latin America, prior to say
1973, and after 1989, and periods of relative non-growth, with the same
system, the same classes, in the critical social arrangement. And how do we
explain that those prior periods of growth, and austerity, occur in the most
intimate connections with the global economy of advanced capitalism?
What I think makes the situation in Latin America, the situation in
"developing" countries so acute, is that every impulse to capitalist
accumulation, to expanded reproduction, runs smack into the walls of private
property, the remaining walls of landed property, and landed labor on such
property, that are/have been so essential to maintenance of the ruling
classes, and capitalism runs into that wall from the inside.
Does the use of term oligarchy, or your use of the term, include all agents,
representatives, facets, sectors etc. of the ruling class? I don't think
so, and I think you make that clear when you draw the analogy to the
slaveholders in the pre-Civil War U.S. First we are 140 years beyond that
moment in history, and capitalism has proven its willingness, ability to
integrate the most archaic elements into the very fabric of its existence so
that there can be no disentangling the "oligarchs" from the bourgeoisie.
The Reconstruction period, the post Reconstruction period of the US is most
instructive in this matter where the former slaveholders were reintegrated
into the national ruling class, and as the "sectional" ruling class, in
order to 1) control black labor and 2) facilitate Northern commercial
interests (i.e. the Pennsylvania RR's desire to consolidate and control a
rail system in the south, linking the Atlantic areas with the inland and
western areas, and break the stranglehold the various, particular,
mercantile interests had on the movement of commodities.
Needless to say, the Southern "oligarchs" lost the war, but won the power,
(control the legislative branch of government and the military), and there
was then, as there is now, no way of disentangling the "retrograde"
oligarchs and their property from the bourgeoisie and capitalist property as
Anyway, nothing you said was insulting, and I hope nothing in my response is
viewed as an insult.
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From: "Néstor Gorojovsky" <nmgoro at gmail.com>
To: <sartesian at earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Argentina: Coup-plotting oligarchs pose as
democrats:they will not succeed!
> 2008/7/28, S. Artesian <sartesian at earthlink.net>:
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