[Marxism] Richardson advocates dialoque with Cuba, Venezuala
Ruthless Critic of All that Exists
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Wed Jun 11 22:15:06 MDT 2008
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:07 AM, Lüko Willms <lueko.willms at t-online.de> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:35:49 -0400, Ruthless Critic of All that Exists
>> >> As much as we disagree with the Cuban dissidents, it seems to be
>> >> fair
>> > I am not fair against the bourgeoisie. I am against them.
>> the point is that, there is not much utility in speaking only
>> among socialists.
> I want to speak with my fellow workers and our allies, farmers and
> other exploited producers.
Yes, but workers in the developed world are extremely backward. One of
the lessons of Marxism is that you must think concretely and not
abstractly. The concrete situation is that many workers, at least in
the USA, are currently misled and reactionary. Many even describe
themselves as "Reagan democrats". You cannot talk to the US worker in
2008 in the same way you could to a militant worker in Petrograd in
The discussion here was about Cuban dissidents. Some of the dissidents
may be driven by a *political* opposition to Fidel. Not to acknowledge
this, and recognizing the Cubam Five as pol. prisoners but none of the
dissidents as pol. prisoners, would cause the very people you are
trying to convince reject you by tuning you out. That sort of thing
often leads to a marvelously self-congratulatory self-righteousness
which exalts in one's leftier-than-thou smugness, but does not
necessarily advance the cause of socialism one bit.
>> When you
>> talk with non-socialist people and try to convince them, win them over
>> politically, it is important to be fair and to be seen as fair.
> No, not at all.
> The main goal is to convince my fellow workers that we should stop
> being fair to our boss and pursue a trade-union and political strategy
> which is based only on _our_ interests, and not a "fair balance" between
> the interests of working people and of the capitalist class and their
> individual capitalists.
Certainly, but we were not talking about that here. We were talking
about whether or not to acknowledge some of the Cuban dissidents as
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