[Marxism] Cubans see hope for change in Obama - SentUsingGoogle Toolbar
ssschwartz8 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 10:15:14 MDT 2008
For many years the same argument about the class nature of the USSR was very
common. The favorite argument was that there is no private capital as the
state had the ownership.
Yet when the Stalinist regime collapsed in the early 1990s and East Europe
earlier it came as a shock for all of the same people who argued that the
USSR was a socialist or at least a degenerated workers state. The same
bureaucracy simply replaced the form of ownership.
Since the 1917 revolution was a workers revolution when did the counter
revolution happened? In 1991? This is a reformist theory since the state was
not over thrown by a counter revolution at that time. So was it a gradual
process? This runs against any elementary Marxism( see Lenin: state and
The same argument was raise for years by many regarding China and today
you have to live somewhere else, outside this earth to believe it.
Was the Chinese revolution a socialist revolution? If you think so, when and
how did it change its class character? Or is this state a workers state?
What it seems to me the problem with your argument is that you assume that :
Not a revolutionary working class party organizing the most politically
advanced workers must lead the working class and this party can be
substituted by Stalinists or left wing third world nationalists.
Clearly in the case of China the social base of the Maoists was the
peasantry. Thus some other class than the working class can replaced the
In Cuba during the guerrilla struggle in the mountains the Cuban Communist
party controlling the working class supported Batista and opposed Castro.
This was not a working class revolution.
You further must assume that capitalism at this epoch is still in the form
of "free" market and that that bureaucratic capitalists is not ruling class
and that it can substitute working class power.
Where are the Soviets in Cuba?
What kind of a socialist state is Cuba? when the rate of exploitation
of the workers of Cuba that including social benefit is higher than in
Argentina. Workers in Cuba earn much less than the working class in
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