[Marxism] Bolton: Israel 'will attack Iran' beforenewUSpresident in office, especially if it's Obama
sartesian at earthlink.net
Thu Jun 26 07:20:59 MDT 2008
First off, I don't have to explain every single incident by a one size fits
all theory. Marxism is not a formula.
Secondly how do I explain Vietnam? You got it wrong. You're the one who
claims war leads to recession and you are claiming that it does in the short
run. So you need to explain why it took so long for a recession to hit the
US after the initiation of direct combat action by the US in Vietnam.
You are the one who needs to explain the fact that the recovery of the US
from the 1959 recession correlates (not caused I guess) coincides with
increased US military actions in SE Asia, expanding to include the
You are the one who needs to explain the initiation of Gulf War 1 & 2 from
an economic, social basis if you think war causes recession and is inimical
to the interests of capital. And just for laughs, you might try explaining
WW 2 without reference to either cause or correlation in the world
No, OPEC 1, 2 did not produce a "big war," unless of course, you happen to
consider class war a big war. I personally consider class war to be a big
war, so I think the actions after the OPEC spikes, like Chile 1973, like
Argentina, like the funding and arming of the anti-Soviets in Afghanistan,
like the "lost decade" that drove living standards in Mexico, and throughout
Latin America back below levels achieved in the 1960s, brought Thatcher and
Reagan to power to dismantle fixed assets and workers' organization, led to
Jaruzelski in Poland and destruction of a workers movement in favor of
Catholic led capitalism, that debilitated the remnants of the Russian
Revolution and pushed Vietnam and China into "globalization," and more, to
be a pretty big war. A war, unfortunately, in which workers have suffered a
series of big defeats.
As for the cold war..... come on, the only reason that didn't lead to the
biggest war was the fact that the Soviets had nuclear capabilities. And
anticipating your next question-- 1. Russia is no longer Soviet and 2. It
still has nuclear capability.
Try and deal with the original issues, and original response provided.
Hopscotching around history, cherry-picking "counter-examples" adds nothing
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beforenewUSpresident in office, especially if it's Obama
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