[Marxism] Israel is a death trap for the Israel working class

Néstor Gorojovsky nmgoro at gmail.com
Mon Jun 30 10:15:29 MDT 2008

2008/6/28, Walter Lippmann <walterlx at earthlink.net>:
> Spanish is not my first language. I was hoping to get
>  the point across, but Nestor's points are well-taken.
>  Patria is not an easy word to translate since for the
>  Cubans it means a good deal more than the mere literal
>  "homeland". Well, anyway...

I agree. The Spanish "Patria" is not easy to translate.
Ethimologically it means "the land of the fathers", that is
Fatherland. But it is also related to "homeland" in practical and
everyday use.

I tend to believe that this is a consequence of the fact that our
national revolutions are not fully accomplished. Thus, patriotism here
has a different sense than elsewhere.

And so do terms such as "Patria".

>  Walter
>  ================================
>  NESTOR writes:
>  I feel I must take exception to Walter's translation. Literally, the
>  concept by Martí was "Patria es humanidad", which translates
>  adequately as "Homeland is humanity". If Martí, who was a great writer
>  besides a strong politician and able soldier, had wanted to write "Our
>  homeland is humanity" he would have written "Nuestra patria es la
>  humanidad", which in Spanish is as different from "Patria es
>  humanidad" as "Our homeland is humanity" in English differs from
>  "Homeland is humanity".
>  What Martí wanted to stress was that the concrete struggle of the
>  Cuban people for national liberation was the _Cuban_ way to be
>  humanists, the single valid way to be a humanist, and this in
>  opposition to the abstraction of "citizen of the world" that was
>  already ravaging too many people of good will in Martí's times.
>  "Patria es humanidad" and "Socialism and this Nation are one and
>  the
>  single thing" (Ho) mean the same, and in a sense they are quite the
>  opposite to "Our homeland is humanity". In fact, it would be better
>  translated as "Humanity is our homeland", so to say.
>  The above said, however, for semicolonial peoples. In the case of the
>  Israeli working class, Homeland opposes Humanity in the same way that
>  US American Patriotism opposes Humanity.
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Néstor Gorojovsky
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