[Marxism] Imperialism and the US working class (Was YADL)

Joaquin Bustelo jbustelo at gmail.com
Mon Apr 6 12:59:32 MDT 2009


MF: "Your argument about a secular improvement in living standards (rising
real wage) among the working class over the past decades is... smoke and
mirrors."

I made no such argument. 

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Michael Friedman
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To: Joaquin
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Imperialism and the US working class (Was YADL)

> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:41:30 -0400
> From: "Joaquin Bustelo" <jbustelo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Imperialism and the US working class (Was YADL) 
> over a period of 20 or 30 years is not a meaningful one, because the 
> implicit statement is that 8-tracks and iPods are interchangeable. 
> That may be true in some abstract sense of constant dollar 
> equivalence, but for the consumer it is not their exchange value but 
> their use value which is paramount. Thus the "deprivation" of the 
> worker who with their wages can now afford only one iPod whereas they 
> use to be able to buy three 8-tracks is likely to be perceived as 
> progress by that person. Moreover, the very


And you have the nerve to accuse Waistline of "idealism"?  Your argument
about a secular improvement in living standards (rising real wage) among the
working class over the past decades is... smoke and mirrors.
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