[Marxism] meaning of labor time in Capital

S. Artesian sartesian at earthlink.net
Mon Apr 20 09:50:43 MDT 2009

Maybe it's narcissim on my part, but I suspect that Cloke thinks he's 
replying to me.

I hereby pledge to never pledge to never reply again to a troll...

In reference to the 19th century domestic laborers, or the domestic laborers 
of the 20th century, or 21st century, or the servants of the 19th, 18th, 
17th, 20th, 21st centuries--  they are not workers creating capital.

Now I realize that this distinction might be a bit too much nuance for the 
likes our bloke Cloke to grasp, he of the first life with 7 million avatars, 
but it is that precise social specificity that defines both capital and 
wage-labor, creates the conditions of the class struggle, and brings the 
inherent conflict within capital-- between the means of production and the 
property relations that surround them -- to the fore as revolution.

As I said, Marx is not making a moral distinction, a sentimental 
classification, but a social one-- like the distinction between a product 
and a commodity.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <J.M.P.Cloke at lboro.ac.uk>
To: <sartesian at earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] meaning of labor time in Capital

So, in this 19th century class struggle of yours, none of
these 'housewives and mothers' are themselves 'workers'?
Phew, thank goodness! Otherwise we'd have had to look at
the real world...

Jon Cloke

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