[Marxism] Betancourt's halo [SIC] under spotlight

S. Artesian sartesian at earthlink.net
Sun Mar 1 12:06:36 MST 2009

So how does someone living in the comfort of the West, risking nothing, 
demanding blind obedience to FARC, and I would guess from other statements, 
regarding any dissent from FARC "ideology" and practice as actual treason, 
differ from somebody living in the comfort of the West, risking nothing, 
criticizing the FARC?

Seems to me the same things were said to those criticizing Fatah, those who 
pointed out what a blind alley it's nationalism was; seems to me the same 
thing was said and recently to those who had the temerity to criticize 
Mugabe, Sinn Fein, Lula  etc.etc. etc.

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Subject: [Marxism] Betancourt's halo [SIC] under spotlight

> Luko:
> Being heroic does not prevent making mistakes both in a tactical and a
> strategical sense.
> Reply:
> And, again, I dispute your assertion that the FARC are making mistakes. I
> also find it unconscionable for Marxists living in the comfort of the 
> West,
> risking nothing, judging those who are struggling on the front lines 
> against
> imperialism.
> They do not require our approval. On the contrary, it is we who require
> theirs for what we do and say in solidarity.
> Luko:
> Yeah, but defeat breeds demoralisation. There is no automatism (we
> discussed this in relation to this Irish splinter group some time ago) 
> that
> repression results in _increased_ resistance, following the motto "let's
> provoke the ruling class to be as vicious they can get, and this will 
> result
> in
> the people rising up". That has never worked.
> Reply:
> Yeah, but no resistance breeds wholesale destruction. And to even suggest
> that people would 'provoke the ruling class' as you describe, as if it's 
> some
> kind of sport they're engaged in, is simply baffling to me. Resistance
> movements  arise as necessity, not choice, and certainly in the case of 
> the FARC.
> Sometimes  those resistance movements are crushed, occasionally they make
> advances, even  more rarely they win. Furthermore, your final assertion 
> that action
> can never precede consciousness is demonstrably false. The experience of 
> the
> Easter Rising in 1916 and what came after, the experience of the Cuban
> Revolution, teaches us that action can precede consciousness.
> Luko:
> This was not addressed to me, but while I have a lot of compassion with
> victims of oppression, or maybe just pity, I have sympathy for people who
> fight, and who have charted a way to fight successfully.
> Reply:
> Oh, I see - so your approval for those who would dare get up off  their 
> knees
> and resist their oppression is only accorded on the basis of their 
> success.
> What kind of solidarity is that? Seriously, again, I'm  astonished.
> Luko:
> Well, I am also in a position of weakness compared to the bourgeois state,
> but I would not dare to take prisoners and keep them as hostage for years,
> not even days. The so-called "Red Army Faction" (RAF) tried it and failed
> abysmally.
> Reply:
> How very droll to compare yourself, living in Germany, with a movement  at
> war with one of the most reactionary and brutal regimes in the world. 
> Great
> method you have there, Luko. Of course,in your sarcasm you fail 
> completely to
> address the point being made.
> I hope there's isn't too much more of this to troll through.
> Let's see.
> Na, fuck it, I can't.
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