[Marxism] The IRA and armed struggle

J.M.P.Cloke at lboro.ac.uk J.M.P.Cloke at lboro.ac.uk
Tue Mar 17 09:22:07 MDT 2009

I think I don't believe them to be 'dissident 
republicans'; I think I believe them to be people for whom 
demanding loyalty/money with a gun has become habit over a 
long time. The habit of power is, after all, hard to give 
up and why should you go back to/start being 'ordinary' 
when life was so much more exciting when you could get 
what you wanted by simply demanding it at the point of a 
gun? Who wants to work for a living, after all, when you 
can simply pretend that you're 'committed to the armed 
struggle' and steal what you want?

A friend of mine (Pete) told me some interesting stuff 
about his two tours of Northern Ireland with 4/5 Commando, 
particularly that despite all the fierce, hate-ridden 
rhetoric, it was remarkable how civil and efficient the 
various factions on both sides were, amongst thesmelves 
and across the religious divide, when it came to dividing 
up cities for 'protection' purposes, and who would control 
the supply of which drugs where...
Dr Jon Cloke
Project Officer EnergyCentral and Research Associate
Global and World Cities Group
Geography Department
Loughborough University
Loughborough LE11 3TU

E-mail: j.m.p.cloke at lboro.ac.uk
Tel: 00 44 07984 813681

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:10:07 -0400
  sobuadhaigh at hushmail.com wrote:
> JMP wrote:
>>So, 'analyses of social forces' contain no element of 
>>personal morality, nicht war? I bet those pizza-delivery 
>>guys are just so relieved that they've got a world-class 
>>Marxist scholar like you to explain why the oppression of 
>>Irish working classes in the six counties makes it 
>>to shoot them...
> I will make this easy for you. If you want or expect 
> condemnation of the RIRA because the pizza guys got shot 
> then you will be profoundly disappointed by this list. 
>Many will
> denounce Irish nationalists for any number of reasons 
> usually not from a position of "personal morality." 
> Do you believe that the personal morality of dissident 
> makes them criminals and thugs? If so, is this because 
>they remain 
> committed to armed struggle or purely because people got 
>shot who 
> were not in the British army. As I remember "Vom Krieg," 
>war is the 
> continuation of politics by other means. Is it the 
>politics or the 
> continuation that you are so upset by?
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