[Marxism] First things first [Re: British Government Refuses To Discuss Sovereignty of Mal
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Tue Mar 31 06:38:28 MDT 2009
Jscotlive at aol.com escribió:
> A few things worth remembering about the war over the Malvinas in 1982 are
> as follows:
> i) The skill and courage of the Argentinean fighter pilots, who despite
> suffering high casualties continued to fly in low to attack British ships
> anchored in the bay. Their courage was attested to by the British. Ironically, I
> seem to recall that the Argentinean pilots may have been British trained.
The Arg Navy was educated in the tradition of Nelson.Unfortunately, they
did not substitute "Argentina" for "Britain" in the famous "Britain
expects every man to fulfill his duty". This does not exclude great
fighters and the BIM 5, based in Tierra del Fuego, was as heroic as
admirably outstanding. But the high command was responsible for lack of
naval effort in an obvious air and naval war. The Navy pressed against
the plans by the Air Force to harass British transports on their way to
The Arg Army had been educated in what by the early years of the 19th
Century was demed to be the best army in the world, the German Army.
After 1955, it began to be trained by US and *particularly* French
experts in anti-subversive war (even battle gear was changed to look
like USAmerican gear). The French Military Mission in Buenos Aires,
established 1956, is one of the best leads to the brutality of Arg
torturers during the whole period between 1956 and 1983. Of course, in a
country that had been traversing a chronic civil war between 1811 and
1880, there had been a long homegrown tradition. But the contribution of
French thugs was outstanding enough to be considered at least as
important as the local one.
The Arg Air Force, created by Perón -who was a heir to the great Arg
patriot General Mosconi, a man that due to a confrontation with the
Standard Oil started the national Argentinean oil company YPF in the
1920s and was the head of the Air branch of the Army- had been trained
in the feats of the French military pilots. Later on, it became the most
creative force and literally invented new ways to wage an air war. There
was little British training of Arg pilots. The Air Force was one of the
most important mainstays in the effort of self-centered
industrialization that started with Peronism during the late 40s. The
city of Córdoba was completely transformed by the industrial
implantation by the Air Force in 1952.
> ii) The sinking of the Belgrano by a British submarine as it was heading
> away from the 200 mile exclusion zone which the British had placed around the
> island. I think 2-250 sailors drowned in the sinking and the disgusting
> triumphalist headline of 'Gotcha' which appeared in Murdoch's Sun newspaper the next
> day in the UK summed up the jingoism and nationalism which had been whipped
> up by the Thatcher government at the time.
This was, of course, a war crime. The most important thing with the
sinking was that it had been devised as a means to make sure there would
BE a war. By the time of the murder, there were important negotiations
led by the President of Peru.
> iii) The vulnerability of British ships to the Exocet ship to ship missiles
> used by the Argentineans. These were French made and they were responsible
> for sinking 2 or 3 British destroyers and escorts.
The missiles were reworked in Arg by Arg technicians and both air-to-sea
and land-to-sea "Arg" Exocets were created during the war, with not so
bad a result. In fact, the British were lucky enough that our missiles
had not been prepared to fight against an imperialist navy but against
those of our neighbors. Thus, the light shields of the British ship
allowed the missiles and torpedoes to break the shield but they did not
explode because the shield was not heavy enough. Another consequence of
the pro-imperialist trend in our Armed Forces after 1955.
> iv) Rumours of American mercenaries fighting for the Argentineans,
> subsequently captured during the Battle of Goose Green by British paras and executed
> due to the scandal such an incident would have created if it got out. I
> researched this rumour a few years ago, looking to perhaps do a story on it, but
> all I could find were a few random claims by British soldiers who'd served in
> the war but did not themselves see or come across any Americans. Their
> statements consisted of rumours among the troops, citing that certain telescopic
> rifles only available to US military personnel at the time were found after the
> battle and the skill of the Argentinean snipers, which they attributed to
> the possibility that they were in fact American. Then again, perhaps this is
> another example of the congenital racism of all imperialist armies, which
> refuse to acknowledge that non Europeans can fight as well as they can.
I can bear personal witness on this. In 1980, I met my high-school
friend Oscar Martínez, one of the most important experts in physics in
Argentina, child to a liberal family (and of Jewish mother, BTW). He was
working at the scientific area of the Armed Forces, helping to design
laser-guided rifles. Of course telescopic rifles, etc., were normal
weaponry in Argentina. Many soldiers have told me that British soldiers
stole the battle gear of Arg dead soldiers because it would be a
better fit to the local conditions than the gear provided by NATO. This
battle gear was designed locally.
> Finally, any honest accounting of the war would admit that the Argentineans
> lost the war more than the British won it. A military junta more concerned
> with maintaining itself in power failed to prosecute the war beyond a certain
> point, keeping Argentina's best troops back in case needed against their own
> people, etc. I think they miscalculated the willingness of Thatcher to assemble
> and despatch a military task force 18,000 miles in order to fight over a few
> hundred islanders and sheep. Of course the fact is that in the South
> Atlantic there are significant oil and gas deposits.
This is exactly the conclusion that the imperialists did not want
Argentineans to reach. That is why any debate on the war and why it was
lost was precluded in Argentina. As to best troops, they were not kept
at home against ourselves but stationed on the Chilean border...
Reasons behind the British imperialists´ interest for Malvinas (and
"South Georgia") is that these islans control the best access to
Antarctica as well as the single alternative passage between the
Atlantic and the Pacific, if Panama gets closed down. And, of course,
they are an advanced control point against Argentina herself. When, in
as early a date as 1884, the Argentinean Navy commander Augusto Laserre
founded Ushuaia in Tierra del Fuego, he had it very clear that British
missions based in Malvinas were not just preaching Protestant Bibles but
also setting a precedent for future British claims on the area.
It should be remembered that in as late a date as 1905 the British Crown
claimed sovereignty on ALL OF LATIN AMERICA SOUTH OF THE 55th PARALLEL.
BTW: Argentina and Chile are the only coutnries in the world that
recognize each other sovereignty rights on Antarctica. A quiz: under
whose Presidency was the agreement reached? Was the Arg Foreign Minister
of the time of Socialist origin?
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