[Marxism] The Chinese Revolution (90 years ago)
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Wed Nov 18 11:12:50 MST 2009
>> It is not a question of which comes first? The overthrow of imperialism
or the establishment of socialism? It is the question of which class has
the power, the cohesiveness, the essential relations to the means of
production to overthrow imperialism, and in doing that, establish itself as the
ruling class, with a social organization of property and labor unique to
It is precisely what comes first that defines the actual Chinese
Revolution that happened on this planet. The issue of the Chinese revolution, since
1811, was posed as the overthrow of the rule of foreigners. These
foreigners were “Western imperialist” and later Japanese imperialist. In order to
overthrow the imperialist various political grouping advocating on behalf of
various classes formed armies to fight in the 20 th century.
Revolution is a flesh and blood affair of the heart. Thing like mode of
production, productive forces, capital concentration defines a general
boundary of development. What you miss dear comrade is that the Chinese did not
want to be dominated and governed by foreigners. Would you like being
dominated by oppressing people who disrespect your very conception of reality? Not
to mention the horrible acts of real colonialism. I carefully read all of
what you wrote, and you simply have a different point of view of class and
Lets say you are 100% correct.
Here is how I begin my incorrect 100% anti-working class, imperialist
chauvinistic wrong view.
Assessment of China begins with it having the oldest continuous culture on
earth. Intensely proud and patriotic, they had been humiliated for 150
years at the hands of imperialism. Although I cannot measure the degree of
humiliation the people of China experienced, xenophobia was also no stranger to
her. The modern proletariat may not have a country, but it most certainly
possess a history and a heart. History is the real heart of people.
In China, the history that is the modern proletariat - product of capital,
ought to be placed in a context of two thousands years. The class struggle
- social revolution, however one defines it in China was over what classes
would benefit and under what condition modernization would take place.
Resolving these questions required the overthrow of imperialism as a
precondition. This is so because the Chinese perception was that they should benefit
the most from development in their country. China was a colony.
Would modernization take place under domination by foreigners - imperialist
scoundrels, was the expression of the class struggle/social revolution
throughout the colonies of imperialism. Comparing the Chinese Revolution and
the CPC with the old League of Revolutionary Black Workers presents problems
The problem is that one has to distinguish between 1968 and 1928; between
1971 and 1921; between the front of the curve of industrial development and
the back of the curve. For instance the reason Russia was at the back of
the curve is that it was leaving feudalism. At the front of the curve is
America and it is the standard for establishing the front. The baseline is
industrial development. The environment or general context is the totality of
social relations in 1920, during the last period of transition from
agriculture to industrial society.
What the League expressed in 1968/9 Detroit could not be expressed in 1921
China or 1921 America. There was no feudalism in 1968 Detroit or 1968
America. Actually, there were never any concrete feudal economic or social
relations in America. Detroit is not analogous to China. China is a country.
Detroit was a city at the epic-center of roughly the third boundary of the
The position of the black in the North or industrial Midwest, during the
period in question (1921-1968) would be roughly analogous to the plight of
the Korean in Japan; the Irish in England, the Algerian in France and to a
degree the Chinese in Japan. China is unique in that over the span of 2000
years the role of the overseas Chinese helped shape much of history. This
historic “shaping” is a source of pride for China. It is this pride - not
chauvinism, that must be taken into account. China governed by Chinese,
without distinction to what class ruled, was always more favorable to the world
proletarian masses than a China that is a reserve of imperial reaction.
Further, a China dominated by imperialism inhibited the development of class
struggle within China and forced it into channels fighting to recover 2000
years of history.
To its credit the young Soviet government supported Sun Yat Sen request for
aid in waging war against Western imperialism. “The CPC was still small at
the time, having a membership of only 300 in 1922 and only 1,500 by 1925.
The KMT in 1922 already had 150,000.” The later mistakes in Comintern
policy and the Stalin regime and subordinating the CPC to the geopolitical
needs of the Soviet state was adequately described by the international
Investment banker and economist Henry C.K. Liu.
No matter what the outcome of events in China, over the next decade or two,
the revolution moved a billion people - one quarter of the earth’s
population, from being economic, military and political reserves of imperialism to
the front line struggle against it, during the last phase of the national
colonial revolutions. The Chinese revolution was part of the historic
shift from agriculture to the modern industrial world and accelerated the last
phase of the world colonial revolutions.
The epoch of national liberation roughly runs from the American Revolution
of 1776 and closes out - more than less, with the 1975 victory of the
The subject of the colonial revolution presents certain seemingly
unsolvable problems for some revolutionaries at the front of
capitalist/imperialism. The issue of the Chinese Revolution between says 1900 and 1950, is
radically different from the issue of the advance of the proletarian revolution
post 1978. Further, the question of the advance of the revolution in China
today - 2009, is inexplicably bound up with the new proletariat formed on
the basis of the revolution in technology.
The historic theoretical problem is bound up with the initial Marxist view
of the economically backwards areas of the world or the historic colonies
of modern imperialism. It is an irony of history that an international
investment banker and economist would disclose - accurately, the evolution and
application of what is called Marxism and the national-colonial question.
There are aspects of the colonial question as China still being resolved.
Although the Peoples Republic of China was founded in 1949, it did not
recover its sovereignty over Hong Kong until 1997. Taiwan remains an extremely
sensitive issue for China amongst communist and non-communist citizens.
There is no artificial distinction between a China governed by Chinese
communists or capitalist and a China governed by Western imperialism. At least to
the Chinese people, who have sense 1949 reclaimed 2000 years of continuous
One can of course ask the people of China if they would rather be dominated
and governed by their own country folk or the British and Japanese
imperialist.The colonial people exhibit this strange desire and fear of being
dominated by their colonizers.
Pardon brother but I could barely write the following because it is so
I remember reading a story about the slave master talking a returned
runaway slave to a psychiatrist see why he kept running away. The doctor tell
the slave master it was the damnest case of paranoia he had ever seen in his
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