[Marxism] The Chinese Revolution (90 years ago)

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Wed Nov 18 11:12:50 MST 2009


>> It is not a question of which comes first? The overthrow of  imperialism 
or the establishment of socialism? It is the question of which class  has 
the power, the cohesiveness, the essential relations to the means of  
production to overthrow imperialism, and in doing that, establish itself as the  
ruling class, with a social organization of property and labor unique to 
itself?  << 

It is precisely what comes first that defines the actual Chinese  
Revolution that happened on this planet. The issue of the Chinese revolution,  since 
1811, was posed as the overthrow of the rule of foreigners. These  
foreigners were “Western imperialist” and later Japanese imperialist. In order  to 
overthrow the imperialist various political grouping advocating on behalf of  
various classes formed armies to fight in the 20 th century. 
Revolution is a flesh and blood affair of the heart. Thing like mode of  
production, productive forces, capital concentration defines a general 
boundary  of development. What you miss dear comrade is that the Chinese did not 
want to  be dominated and governed by foreigners. Would you like being 
dominated by  oppressing people who disrespect your very conception of reality? Not 
to mention  the horrible acts of real colonialism. I carefully read all of 
what you wrote,  and you simply have a different point of view of class and 
Lets say you are 100% correct. 
Here is how I begin my incorrect 100% anti-working class, imperialist  
chauvinistic  wrong view. 
Assessment of China begins with it having the oldest continuous culture on  
earth. Intensely proud and patriotic, they had been humiliated for 150 
years at  the hands of imperialism. Although I cannot measure the degree of 
humiliation  the people of China experienced, xenophobia was also no stranger to 
her. The  modern proletariat may not have a country, but it most certainly 
possess a  history and a heart. History is the real heart of people. 
In China, the history that is the modern proletariat - product of capital,  
ought to be placed in a context of two thousands years. The class struggle 
-  social revolution, however one defines it in China was over what classes 
would  benefit and under what condition modernization would take place. 
Resolving these  questions required the overthrow of imperialism as a 
precondition. This is so  because the Chinese perception was that they should benefit 
the most from  development in their country. China was a colony. 
Would modernization take place under domination by foreigners - imperialist 
 scoundrels, was the expression of the class struggle/social revolution  
throughout the colonies of imperialism. Comparing the Chinese Revolution and 
the  CPC with the old League of Revolutionary Black Workers presents problems 
The problem is that one has to distinguish between 1968 and 1928; between  
1971 and 1921; between the front of the curve of industrial development and 
the  back of the curve. For instance the reason Russia was at the back of 
the curve  is that it was leaving feudalism. At the front of the curve is 
America and it is  the standard for establishing the front. The baseline is 
industrial development.  The environment or general context is the totality of 
social relations in 1920,  during the last period of transition from 
agriculture to industrial society. 
What the League expressed in 1968/9 Detroit could not be expressed in 1921  
China or 1921 America. There was no feudalism in 1968 Detroit or 1968 
America.  Actually, there were never any concrete feudal economic or social 
relations in  America. Detroit is not analogous to China. China is a country. 
Detroit was a  city at the epic-center of roughly the third boundary of the 
industrial  revolution. 
The position of the black in the North or industrial Midwest, during the  
period in question (1921-1968) would be roughly analogous to the plight of 
the  Korean in Japan; the Irish in England, the Algerian in France and to a 
degree  the Chinese in Japan. China is unique in that over the span of 2000 
years the  role of the overseas Chinese helped shape much of history. This 
historic  “shaping” is a source of pride for China. It is this pride - not 
chauvinism,  that must be taken into account.  China governed by Chinese, 
without  distinction to what class ruled, was always more favorable to the world  
proletarian masses than a China that is a reserve of imperial reaction. 
Further,  a China dominated by imperialism inhibited the development of class 
struggle  within China and forced it into channels fighting to recover 2000 
years of  history. 
To its credit the young Soviet government supported Sun Yat Sen request for 
 aid in waging war against Western imperialism. “The CPC was still small at 
the  time, having a membership of only 300 in 1922 and only 1,500 by 1925. 
The KMT in  1922 already had 150,000.”  The later mistakes in Comintern 
policy and the  Stalin regime and subordinating the CPC to the geopolitical 
needs of the Soviet  state was adequately described by the international 
Investment banker and  economist  Henry C.K. Liu. 
No matter what the outcome of events in China, over the next decade or two, 
 the revolution moved a billion people - one quarter of the earth’s 
population,  from being economic, military and political reserves of imperialism to 
the front  line struggle against it, during the last phase of the national 
colonial  revolutions.  The Chinese revolution was part of the historic 
shift from  agriculture to the modern industrial world and accelerated the last 
phase of the  world colonial revolutions. 
The epoch of national liberation roughly runs from the American Revolution  
of 1776 and closes out - more than less, with the 1975 victory of the 
Vietnamese  Revolution. 
The subject of the colonial revolution presents certain seemingly  
unsolvable problems for some revolutionaries at the front of  
capitalist/imperialism.  The issue of the Chinese Revolution between says  1900 and 1950, is 
radically different from the issue of the advance of the  proletarian revolution 
post 1978. Further, the question of the advance of the  revolution in China 
today - 2009, is inexplicably bound up with the new  proletariat formed on 
the basis of the revolution in technology. 
The historic theoretical problem is bound up with the initial Marxist view  
of the economically backwards areas of the world or the historic colonies 
of  modern imperialism. It is an irony of history that an international 
investment  banker and economist would disclose - accurately, the evolution and 
application  of what is called Marxism and the national-colonial question. 
There are aspects of the colonial question as China still being resolved.  
Although the Peoples Republic of China was founded in 1949, it did not 
recover  its sovereignty over Hong Kong until 1997. Taiwan remains an extremely 
sensitive  issue for China amongst communist and non-communist citizens.  
There is no  artificial distinction between a China governed by Chinese 
communists or  capitalist and a China governed by Western imperialism. At least to 
the Chinese  people, who have sense 1949 reclaimed 2000 years of continuous 
One can of course ask the people of China if they would rather be dominated 
 and governed by their own country folk or the British and Japanese  
imperialist.The colonial people exhibit this strange desire and fear of being  
dominated by their colonizers. 
Pardon brother but I could barely write the following because it is so  
I remember reading a story about the slave master talking a returned  
runaway slave to a psychiatrist see why he kept running away. The doctor tell  
the slave master it was the damnest case of paranoia he had ever seen in his  
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