[Marxism] Honduras: Unequivocal signs of coming repression,
sartesian at earthlink.net
Thu Nov 26 09:22:13 MST 2009
All that from one short post? All that from arguing in several short posts
against CB's chanting O-bam-a, O-bam-a, and against those hailing the
agreement as a "victory"? Wow, Fred, good for you.
You think I'm arguing for socialism right now or bust? Nope. I'm arguing
for class-defined actions or the struggle will be busted.
You want to defend, as you do, support, as you admit, a "bourgeois
nationalist," as you call him? Go right ahead-- actually no, don't go right
ahead-- you have no business, and I do mean business, imposing your
preference, your support of bourgeois nationalism as the correct and only
viable path, proper "stage" or phase, of struggle onto the urban and rural
poor of Honduras.
I mean you can do it, as countless "Marxists" in "advanced" countries have
done for 85 years or so, but it is just one more first world imposition,
prejudice, pushed upon the colonized and exploited people of "less
developed" countries. "Real class struggle? Real workers' revolution?,"
our Marxists have said, "Come on, get real. You guys down there in those
little countries are nowhere near developed enough, conscious enough to have
a real class struggle, a real workers' revolution. That's for us, your big
brothers in El Norte, who will support your right to have a regular
constitution, a regular private property, a regular exploitation, to the
last drop of your blood." I can't imagine the poor of the global south not
dropping to their knees with gratitude at your munificence.
Oh I know such imposition is done with the best of intentions, is done based
on "objective" assessments of "material" conditions, on the balance of
forces, on the "special" circumstances of imperialist exploitation, but at
the end of all that ideological posturing-- the first world "Marxists" are
still cramming the struggle of other people into that first world bag, that
first world trick bag-- of democratic nationalism.
Anyone interested in my views on Honduras can read them at:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Feldman" <ffeldman at bellatlantic.net>
To: "David Schanoes" <sartesian at earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Honduras: Unequivocal signs of coming repression,
> Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
> Artesian writes:
> So is it official now? Can we all agree that the "agreement" negotiated by
> Shannon wasn't a victory? That it was a fraud? That Zelaya should have
> never signed it, and the fact that he did says a lot about his class
> Maybe we can take another look and understand that the forces driving this
> conflict have far outstripped the issue of his presidency, and what the
> steps must be? Maybe?
> Fred comments:
> What is Artesian arguing for? Allowing for traditional transitional
> like Soviets that he may tack on, it is basically just another variant of
> Socialism Right This Minute -- or Bust!" And since virtually no one in
> Honduras or, indeed, the world is fighting on this basis right now (partly
> because Socialism Right This Minute is not possible anywhere at this
> moment), he feels secure in his stance as The One Who Knows that the
> will always be "bust."
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