[Marxism] undocumented

sandia sandia1980 at gmail.com
Sun Oct 4 07:55:09 MDT 2009

I got into a discussion with a friend last night. She is a daughter of
immigrants, lives in an immigrant neighborhood, does historical work
on the 1930s-1950s Bracero Program. She is critical of Obama, but she
basically argued that -- as shitty as he is on immigration -- she
feared that a Republican prez would have vastly increased the
possibility of a guest worker program (like the Bracero program) being
implemented (among a few other things). To my friend, this is the
worst possible outcome, for a number of reasons.

There was not much I could say. My friend did not try to argue that
Obama was any kind of progressive -- just that he would be hard, but
less hard, on immigrants. The whole conversation made me lament the
utter lack of a substantive, real left that could offer legitimate
alternatives to people. Without this, good-minded people will of
course go with the lesser evil -- it is in their immediate interests,
so why shouldn't they? They might agree with someone like Michael
Moore, but what does that mean, concretely, when their is no
legitimate political vision/platform that they feel like they can
attach themselves to, that they see their selves reflected in? While
someone like my friend agrees with me, in principle, about the
fucked-uped-ness of the Dems, this doesn't translate into anything

Just a ramblin' thought... I believe that the primary task of the left
is to reconstruct something broad that can make a politics to the left
of the Dems -- that has a whole different set of assumptions, a whole
different worldview based on socialist principles and values -- viable
to ordinary people.

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:18 AM,  <kmccook at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Wondering if folks have thought tactically how to deal with this
> shift in
>> policy or could point me in the direction of people who are.
> =======>
> Join the National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights.
> http://www.nnirr.org/
>  Kathleen de la Peña McCook
> http://librarian.lishost.org/
> =====
> On 4 Oct 2009 at 8:48, brad bauerly wrote:
>> This article highlights the Obama admin's new undocumented immigrant
>> enforcement plan, which is going to focus on putting pressure on employers
>> to fire all employees that it cannot prove are documented US Citizens or
>> have valid visa's.  What I found interesting is that it occurred at American
>> Apparel which is known for its good (well better) treatment of employees,
>> its marketing scheme of being made in the USA, and its CEO's politics to
>> 'legalize LA'- "Dov Charney, the company´s chief executive, has campaigned,
>> in T-shirt logos and eye-catching advertisements, to "legalize L.A.," by
>> granting legal status to illegal immigrants, a policy President
>> Obamasupports."
>> Wondering if folks have thought tactically how to deal with this shift in
>> policy or could point me in the direction of people who are.
>> Thanks, Brad
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/us/30factory.html?sq=immigrantcrackdown&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=print
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