[Marxism] self determination for oppressors

Marv Gandall marvgandall at videotron.ca
Sun Oct 18 18:40:29 MDT 2009

Artesian writes:


> If, however,  you're referring to the the type of deal struck by de Klerk,
> Botha with Mandela, then preserving "cultural identity" of the minority is
> a
> non-issue at best, a joke at worst, as the economic and social power of
> the
> minority has been preserved.
The outcome of those negotiations was the dismantling of the legal and
political system of apartheid, including the unbanning of the ANC, which was
effectively an agreement to replace white rule with a black majority
government. It was a concession forced on the apartheid regime by powerful
domestic and international pressures.

Because it was a "deal" resulting from a military stalemate rather than the
ANC dictating terms in the aftermath of a successful armed struggle, it
necessarily required reciprocal assurances by the Congress that Afrikaner
assets would not be seized nor regime officials prosecuted for their crimes.
Otherwise, there have been no deal.

In this context, I consider that the extension of political and other
democratic rights to the black masses was an historic advance, even though
the ANC, like most other national liberation movements, subsequently fell
well short of the expectations of it's active supporters.

I'd be surprised if you really viewed the fall of apartheid "as a non-issue
at best, a joke at worst". You didn't oppose the enfranchisement of the
black majority and the legalization of the ANC because these represented
less than a socialist revolution which would have economically and
politically expropriated the white ruling class, did you? You wouldn't now
reverse that deal if you could, would you?

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