[Marxism] self determination for oppressors
sartesian at earthlink.net
Sun Oct 18 22:59:29 MDT 2009
I wish I could say it's been a while since I've read such a heartfelt,
soul-stirring, homage to reformism as Marvin's, but unfortunately I hear it
all too frequently.
First, a correction to what Marvin writes: "I'd be surprised if you really
viewed the fall of apartheid "as a non-issue at best, a joke at worst".
Marvin has a bit of trouble with what people actually write, and he tends to
get things a bit twisted.
I never wrote that the fall of apartheid is a non-issue or a joke. What I
wrote was that if Marvin was referring to the "deal" between Palestinian
Arabs and the Jewish workers in occupied Palestine as a "compromise" along
the lines of the deal in South Africa, then "preserving cultural identity of
the minority is a...joke." Preserving the cultural identity of
theAfrikaners in South Africa is a non-issue or a joke, because the deal
that was cut was a deal to preserve the economic, class power of the
minority, not the right to speak Afrikaner. No such deal can create the
"democratic, secular" Palestine Marvin desires, because those deals
preserve and extend the economic power and privilege of the minority through
the process of "accommodation."
No, I don't consider the end of apartheid a joke-- never said any such
thing-- but the sort of Mandela-de Klerk deal does not bring democracy, or
secularism, or socialism.
Regarding the history of the ANC and the struggle in South Africa, Marvin
would do well to look at the COST of the deal to the struggle in South
Africa-- what was lost in terms of the prospects for revolution. Does
anyone think the Afrikaners made this deal out of the goodness of their
hearts; a sudden burst of Christian morality? The deal was made for
economic reasons-- greater access to the world markets; eliminate the
considerable financial burdens of running an apartheid state; and most
importantly pre-empting the possibility of actual revolution and
expropriation of property by a movement who's real strength was in the
organizations of the miners and workers. And that cost is being paid right
now in the deteriorating conditions for those living in the townships.
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