[Marxism] Yes, I am maleducado from time to time Re: Correction Re: China's high speed rail plans

Nestor Gorojovsky nmgoro at gmail.com
Thu Sep 3 08:45:33 MDT 2009

"Churlish" translates as "maleducado" to Spanish. "Uncivil" may be a 
synonim. Thank you, S. Artesian. Honest.

On to what really matters.

Once I understood what "churlish" meant, I said to myself "Yes, I admit 
it. I am uncivil with the antidialectic approach of those who think of 
"revolutionists" in abstract. I don´t waste time with them".

As time goes by, I begin to have a sense of urgency due to the limits of 
human life. I think the process is known as "growing up", or "aging" if 
you please.

On the other hand, I have never advocated such a senseless position as 
Leonardo atttributes to me.

But allow me to answer you, S. Artesian, not Leonardo: the "issue 
Leonardo hands us" can´t be discussed in abstraction of imperialism of 
all kinds, at any time. I mean, if we are Marxists, that is dialectical 
materialists, of course.

It is a historical and political issue, it is the issue of how to 
conform a national front, how to lead it towards a socialist goal, and 
how to keep yourself marching towards socialism while fulfilling the 
tasks your bourgeoisie did not accomplish and foreign, imperialist, 
bourgeoisies, don´t want you to accomplish.

This is not just a debate on words, a debate not just on opium wars. 
This is a debate on concrete positions against the will of the Chinese 
to have their own independent standing in global (and thus their own, 
because "global" in the lips of an imperialist means "in your own house, 
but not in mine") affairs. Positions of the US imperialist bourgeoisie 

Anything else is, in my churlish opinion, as sterile as onanism. I am 
not against onanism as a matter of principle, but I prefer other forms 
of satisfaction. At the very least, they allow you to know other people. 
Real people.

S. Artesian escribió:
> That seems rather churlish of you Nestor.  The comrade has simply pointed 
> out that "thinking"  or arguing that socialism, that revolutionists can "use 
> capitalism" to build socialism is, at best, rank idealism.  In the concrete 
> world, such fantasies are never at their best, but always at their wo

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