[Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China's high speed rail plans

Néstor Gorojovsky nmgoro at gmail.com
Sat Sep 5 21:01:17 MDT 2009

Marx´s Eurocentric mistakes only show him as a man of his times. He
was no God, he was an European of the 29th Century. The best of all
them, but one of them.

Marx´s understanding of the national question, if you are interested
in learning from it, can be read in Bloom´s "A world of nations",
among other books.

BTW, Marx´s political positions on the Southern Slavs became quite
different to the stupid phrase you quote when he began to study it.
His opinions on the role of Serbia, even his understanding of Serbian
panSlavism ("they are panSlavists only in the measure of their
backwardness", he explained to Engels, but he immediately asserted
that if the national movement in Serbia won his battle, the Serbians
would leave their sympathies to Tsarist Russia), were infinitely more
interesting than your elementary propositions.

We Marxists, by the way, only support national movements that forward
the march towards socialism. Not every such movement does it.
Imperialist backed "national" struggles do not count in this class.

The day you overcome your liberal-progressive worship of those
"national" movements that, in fact, seek to destroy larger national
movements that tend to supersede imperialist domination, that day, you
will begin to understand something in this terrain.

In the meanwhile, learn.

2009/9/5 Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com>:
> On Sep 5, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Néstor Gorojovsky wrote:
>> ...I say that the national question is always a class question...
>> At least there are...people who..agree with me... Marx...among others!
> As illustrated by Marx's view of the national question among that
> "ethnic garbage," the southern slavs?  As well as by your condemnation
> of the Tibetan and Uighur national struggles against domination by the
> capitalist Chinese empire?
> Shane Mage
>> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
>> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
>> kindling in measures and going out in measures."
>> Herakleitos of Ephesos
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