[Marxism] Voting with feet, not commendable in Argentina Re: China's high speed rail plans

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Mon Sep 7 14:37:22 MDT 2009


Louis Proyect wrote: "My main disagreement with Nestor is his tendency to apply such examples 
to Iran, China or other countries with nominally "anti-imperialist" 
governments but at least he errs on the side of living reality rather 
than quote-mongering from Marx."
 
Well, Louis, as always, I think that depends on the context. For example, when the whole discussion starts to get embroiled with ‘Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, agrees with me!’ –Néstor’s words, then should we not take a step back and see what Marx said? Is it enough to invoke the theories of Lenin or Trotsky out of nowhere? In fact, if you allow me the impudence, reading your posts on the latest events on Iran, you quote Trotsky quite a bit yourself. Same goes for when I talk to Stalinists who, and I suggest you experiment with this, can be caught saying exactly what Marx was going crazy about in the Critique of the Gotha Programme, a ‘political’ programme, and no, I’m not saying Néstor is one of them.
 
So far the argument had been mainly centered, at least from my side, on the (determinative) role of accumulation (forgive me, I have to say this here, Marx said accumulation is ‘the’ independent variable,) is that orthodox, economistic, dogmatic, determinist? Not if one takes Capital as a political book, notwithstanding how Council Communists have made a religion out of this outlook, I think. I certainly didn’t mean any of this to be an abstract condemnation of the CCP, nor am I willing to abstract from the complications and propose instead to engage in the demonization spectacle, and even further, while I don’t accept, and think it is necessary to expressly reject, Nestor’s framework about ‘using’ capitalism, the way I understand it, the transitional period is capitalist, but then we have to measure how the production process is progressively veering toward socialist society in terms of productivity, organic composition of capital, labor relations, etc..
 
But I’m starting to notice here, that Néstor and I perhaps started with the left foot, so given the circumstances which I’m starting to feel out, and as I take it, that he is man of struggle, I’ll try to keep the quotes to a minimum, or just plagiarize them.
Take a look at the Iñigo Carrera article, it’s not just Perón, there’s a specific “pattern” to the expansive cycles in the agrarian sector, and their respective political representatives, and when the contraction starts to hurt, the blood starts to run. 
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