[Marxism] Change for the worse in Argentina

S. Artesian sartesian at earthlink.net
Thu Sep 10 12:50:54 MDT 2009

It's hard to point to the lack of tools and mechanical innovation, and argue 
that the social relations of labor, the terms of land tenure, and the 
production that took place was not capitalist, when those tools a mechanical 
innovation hadn't been invented yet.  In any case, British agriculture in 
the 18th century did not operate with indifferance to surplus value.  The 
18th century was the time of the Physiocrats, if the first, at least an 
early "school" to attempt some analysis of surplus value.

Brenner's thesis does not claim that, at origin, English agriculture, relied 
on mechanical innovation.  His thesis id that the terms of land tenure, of 
appropriation of surplus value, were different in the English countryside 
than in the countryside of France, etc; that the English experience involved 
a primary separation of the agricultural producer from the terms, conditions 
of production; that that specific social relationship "forced" or 
"quickened" capitalist agricultural production-- production for exchange, 
rather than "subsistence +" production practiced by a peasantry; that that 
capitalist relationship to and of the land, yield an agricultural 
productivity of a magnitude to 1) release labor from agricultural production 
2) support development of non-agricultural industry and support cities 3) 
overcome the repeated cycles of "over-population" and the ensuing Malthusian 

Anyway, the original issue was the conservation of water and if such 
conservation signifies an agricultural system that is driven by profit, as 
capitalism, as demonstrated by today's farming, is so wasteful in the 
pursuit of profit.

Now I think that conservation of water resources in the 17th, 18th century 
agricultural practices IS a form of profit maximization, given that there is 
very little development of water reservoirs, dams, etc. to "emancipate" 
agricultural production from yearly supplies of rainfall the fed the rivers 
and the crops.  In short, the water conservation is part of an emerging, 
developing capitalism, that is not yet "URBAN ENOUGH" to appropriate the 
surpluses required for the construction of flood control, drought 
remediation instruments.

It is only when water exists socially in abundance,  that its waste becomes 
so integral to profit.

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