[Marxism] Part 2 of article on Israel and apartheid
marvgandall at videotron.ca
Tue Aug 31 07:10:26 MDT 2010
On 2010-08-30, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Pollack wrote:
> After a very precise analysis of the similarities and differences, he
> spoils the whole thing by denying the right of return out of concern
> for the sensitivities of millions of colonialist-settlers. And he
> mocks the notion of a socialist state, which alone could rectify the
> theft of land, labor, resources and lives since 1948.
> Fuck him...Give me the Algerian
> solution any day.
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> wrote:
You could see where Greenstein was going in the first part of the article - in effect, ruling out both a unitary state and two-state solution as utopian given the current configuration of power. Which by default leaves only the possibility of a struggle for democratic rights within what he describes as "Israel proper" and the occupied territories - which in turn implies a de facto acceptance by Palestinians of the reality of the equally de facto "Greater Israel" described by Greenstein. If the vice the Palestinians find themselves in is more akin to that faced by the aboriginal nations in the Americas and elsewhere who were unable to resist the inexorable European settlement than it is to the more commonly cited example of South Africa (much less the successful armed struggle waged by the Algerians against the French) then Greenstein, who seems genuinely supportive of Palestinian rights, can't be entirely faulted for his weak and dispiriting conclusion. My sense is that this pessimistic perspective is gaining ground among Palestinians as well, even if they are somehow able to salvage an "independent" state under Israeli suzerainty from the wreckage of their national aspirations over the past half century and more.
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