[Marxism] Leaves from a debt ceiling notebook

John Glastonbury jglastonbury at gmail.com
Sat Aug 6 07:01:51 MDT 2011


Jay took some time to post out some of his own editing, not because he's
trying to advance any specific sect, but because "it clarified" his
thinking. Shouldn't that be something to be supportive of? And frankly,
wouldn't you rather have the 16 year olds of this world, adrift politically,
come over to 'our' side instead of the far right? I'm sure there are
passages in Marx's notebooks that reek of "P.T. Barnum nonsense" and mere
"witnessing."

Both your posts are the worst type of condescension, underpinned by a bien
pensant that feels free to look down on the thinking of others. But, maybe
it helps to remember that just being attracted to left wing politics of any
real radicalism is a rather daring, hard, and free-thinking step in today's
world. Discovering that a 'working class' orientation exists, anywhere, at
all, is extremely heartening for the neophytes of this world who have been
raised on FOX, CNN, and other mainstream bullshit.

Learning how to look at capitalism appropriately is REALLY hard; it has a
thick, shiny, seemingly perfect SURFACE of market based 'equality,' between
the buyers and sellers of labor, among other things. And this shiny surface
is passed off as the deep theory of capitalism, with all aberrations the
result of 'reality' or distortions by the government. Cracking that shell
happens in stages, if it happens at all, and when it happens organically
without taking a class in Das Kapital, or a thorough academic introduction
to Marx or Trotsky, when it happens by unemployed workers who know they're
being shafted, or young people who've never even been offered the chance of
a job, then there are always certain bits and issues that are
over-emphasized or not at all, but either way, it should be welcomed and not
slandered.

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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:09:28 -0400
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Did anybody on this list of Marxists actually think that Obama "caved" to
the Republicans?

I've hard very little contact with or knowledge of the Socialist Equality
Party before yesterday on Facebook.  Their members are very big on what I'd
regard as religious "witnessing," asserting that they "the only" group with
a working class orientation, etc., etc., etc.

Does this reflect the politics of the group or am I just running into the
members who are 16 years old?

ML

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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:17:48 -0400
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I would be so terribly embarrassed by such an obvious bit of P.T. Barnum
nonsense.

It's essentially self-identifying the claimant as a political huckster who
can't be trusted.  It also indicates that the orientation is very clearly
not people who've been around but complete neophytes who will believe such
things or people inclined towards cultish behavior looking for a source of
fine Kool-aid.

ML



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