[Marxism] "Sales"?

Tom Cod tomcod3 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 5 17:38:33 MDT 2011

That's what I'm talking about.  Are you the only person who responded
to this topic?  I wasn't even talking to you, but actually was
directing my generalized comments via another individual, whom I've
been acquainted with for decades and who has the maturity to interpret
my comments about the tone socialists should adopt in the manner it
was intended: not as a personal attack on anyone.  Then again, as
former party cadres and trade unionists we were both socialized
against copping a "petty bourgois attitude" towards people.

Look, when workers organize in unions and go on strike for higher
wages, aren't they raising the price and value of labor or trying to?
and "Friedmanite" it certainly isn't. quite the opposite.  I'm not
based in reality about wages?  Dude, I work for a living.  That's how
you talk down to workers?  Exactly the hauteur I was referring to.
Yeah, my 40 plus years in the movement going back to high school makes
me figure I have the right to questions holy dogmas particularly as
they relate to how we organize our political work.  I regret that you
seem to have little respect for that.  No, I didn't learn everything
from Lenin in high school, but I did and do appreciate his down to
earth approach.

Quite frankly, I think you should focus more on explicating your ideas
more clearly and less on being patronizing to people, twice your age
or not.  When I said "sophmoric", I mentioned no one by name, but I do
recall being talked down to like a child by you previously in an
offensive way.  Yeah, so let's move on with the issues.  Glibly
telling me-or anyone-I'm vulgar or bourgois etc doesn't do that,
doesn't explain anything, being an in-group ad hominem attack that
quite frankly is unbecoming of one who apparently is, or aspires to
be, an academic professional.

Yeah, so let's move on, my intention was to address the issue, not to
initiate or revive some personal flame war.  A lot is going in society
economics wise with the biggest crisis we've had in decades.  To me,
those with economic expertise should be demystifying and explaining
that in an understandable way as part of their contribution to the
movement.  Mike Perelman seems to be doing that, and if you are,
great.  We had a guy in the SWP named Dick Roberts who was our house
economist and who was able to interpret his ideas on Marxian political
economy in topical articles for the party newspaper very well for many

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Leonardo Kosloff <holmoff10 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Now before you get carried away by my "scoffing", I’m only trying to keep things clear, do you have anything to say about what I said, are you going to engage the argument or just, very ecumenically, complain about priesthood and leave it at that?
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