[Marxism] For the defeat or unconditional end of the NATO war on Libya

Paddy Apling e.c.apling at btinternet.com
Wed Jul 20 01:46:30 MDT 2011

AN excellent presentation of the problem of Libya by Manuel, of course we
all must be both against Ghaddafi and against the imperialist intervention 

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[mailto:marxism-bounces+e.c.apling=btinternet.com at greenhouse.economics.utah.
edu] On Behalf Of Manuel Barrera
Sent: 20 July 2011 12:18 AM
To: e.c.apling at btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [Marxism] For the defeat or unconditional end of the NATO war
on Libya

 there is no need to take a side on whether the rebels are now bad or that
Gadhafi is now "good" because imperialism wants him out. We Are Not Libyans!
It Is Not Our Place and To Make It "Our Place" is the Height of
Condescension or Outright Chauvinism. Our only place is to stand against the
imperialist intervention--to a person--so that the Libyan masses may be able
to find their own way to struggle against their own twin "evils"; Gadhafi
and any pro-imperialist forces that crop up. If indeed the rebellion is
defeated, though I still hold out that may not be (maybe on this point I can
accept a tendency to being overly optimistic), the best way that democracy
(and the prospects for a workers' victory) can be achieved is if we can
remove imperialism from the picture. That is why, for me, U.S./NATO Out Now
has no qualification. I do care that Gadhafi remains in power because the
defeat of the rebellion means his position is strengthened, which means the
working masses of Libya are pressed back, which means that it will make it
more difficult to have Libya enter the struggle for democracy in North
Africa, etc, etc. 

In short, I Do Not Need To Support Gadhafi To Oppose Imperialism. I can do
that just fine without ceding anything to a murderer and plunderer of the
people. To be sure, even if there is a temporary defeat of the Libyan masses
and even if the pro-imperialist forces succeed in removing Gadhafi, it will
not matter in the end because the Libyan people will be victorious in any
case albeit differently than any of us may wish; that is, I am sure no one
on this list will relish the repression of the masses that will surely come
with either a U.S./NATO victory or by Gadhafi thereby prolonging Libya's
march to real democracy. I remain supremely confident in the Libyan people,
have no confidence or "truck" with Gadhafi, and just as less for his
imperialist masters. Why is this so difficult to understand? Why is
remaining true to revolutionary principles considered non "reality" and
"lesser-evilism" considered "realistic"--you know, for revolutionaries?

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