[Marxism] Eric Foner letter on Lincoln

Thomas Bias tgbias at ptd.net
Sat Dec 1 23:25:17 MST 2012

John Ross? In 1861 John Ross expressed his support for the Confederacy just
as strongly as Stand Watie did. And while members of the Ross party found
themselves fighting alongside Union forces, mainly because the Confederacy
threw its support squarely behind the Ridge party (led by Watie, who was
ultimately commissioned a brigadier general in the Confederate army), I'll
need to see evidence that Ross in any way, shape, or form supported Lincoln.
Ross was certainly a major slaveholder, and his brother was involved in
bringing hundreds of slaves into the Indian Territory for sale even after
Lincoln had been elected. But there may be information I haven't seen, so
please share. ~Tom

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I never know what the preoccupations of those broader "progressive"
circles might be, but I don't really care either.  I never undersstood what
their model for change is and certainly find my attention wandering any time
I find myself in the kind of dicussion you get at a cocktail party with
English professors . . .

Among people who have a clear focus on revolutionary change--with that as a
model--we have to acknowledge that revolutions are made by people . . . some
of whom may have said and done all sorts of outrageous shit at different
points before they find themselves making a revolution.

Some might have not even thought things through very carefully before they
find themselves making a revolution.

Most play very specific and often narrow roles in the process and wouldn't
grasp the bigger picture or figure into another role.

But it doesn't matter.

In this case, who did Thaddeus Stevens, Frederick Douglass, Susan B.
Anthony, John Ross, and every one of the survivors of John Brown's effort
support?  As far as that goes, who did those radical emigre groups that were
goosing the Fremont bid wind up supporting?

And why?  Because of very, real, concrete developments in the material

I'm with them.  :-)

Mark L.

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