[Marxism] re[marxism] condemn imperialist wars in libya and syria

dan d.koechlin at wanadoo.fr
Sat Dec 8 18:58:20 MST 2012


Revolutions are the product of many factors and an expression of class 
contradictions. So far, the basic social structure of Egypt, Tunisia and 
Libya does not seem to have changed much. The local comprador 
bourgeoisie still controls these countries together with the military 
and foreign corporations on the lookout for new regional opportunities  
(Omani, Quatari, Lebaneese, French and UK companies are actually 
investing even more heavily in Egyptian and Tunisian construction 
companies because they have a very cheap workforce and high quality 
ciment - ideal for the real estate needs of the Arab Gulf emirates and 
the "Gulf boom".). Local Islamist parties appear to be doing a very good 
job of keeping the rabble in line, which is a godsend (no pun intended) 
for the powers that be.
As long as the low-paid and highly-exploited Egyptian masses continue to 
mobilize against Youtube videos or the Tunisian masses against 
Persepolis, as long as they see "Allah-hu Akbar" (God is Great) as a 
rallying cry, then any demagogue can harness their disaffection and any 
talk of radical egalitarianism becomes out of bounds.
Religion has become the control lever for the Arab masses. Now you can 
say that this is really just a way of rejecting the US Empire and that 
religion is really just a particular way of expressing distrust of 
Western Capitalism. The problem is that this does not seem to be the 
case. The Muslim Brotherhood leaders are urban businessmen, with savvy 
investment portfolios. The growth of Salafism is a reaction on the part 
of the urban proletariat against the class interests of the Muslim 
Brotherhood. But if Saudi Arabia's brand of Salafism is anything to go 
by (and it is seen as corrupt and in a state of "jahiliyya"by most 
Muslims), it tends to reflect patriarchal and oligarchical values again 
far removed from the egalitarian and libertarian values at the heart of 
Just as the Pilgrim fathers are often seen as precursors of American 
capitalism, maybe part of the problem might lie with Islam itself, since 
it was founded on expansion through plunder and slavery by a group of 
merchants who were battling to control Arabian trade routes.

On 12/07/2012 11:38 PM, Duen De wrote:
> Hi again
> Dan writes, "I'm not particularly interested in conspiracy theories". 
>   Really? The revolutions happening in  NA ME are popular revolts 
> against capitalist oligarchs. There is not a shred of evidence that 
> they have been planned, controlled, or highjacked by imperialism.  You 
> don't think that Egypt's president Morsi isn't looking over his 
> shoulder at what is happening in Syria as he tries to contain the  
> anger of the masses in front of his palace?
> Today, the people doing the fighting and dying in Syria showed their 
> contempt for Putin and Obama and  their puppet 'syrian gov't in exile' 
> with coordinated nationwide protests that  rejected any future UN 
> deployment of blue helmets. "No to 'peacekeeping' forces in Syria," 
> was the slogan  on their banners. The imperialists have been warned. 
> The people don't want an imposed settlement or foreign 'boots on the 
> ground". They want Assad's head  on a pike and their sovereignty 
> respected.
> Hillary and Lavrov didn't meet yesterday to talk  about chemical 
> weapons. They met because Obama and Putin both fear that the Syrian 
> opposition will win without their "help" and they will have no 
> leverage in shaping the new Syria.

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