[Marxism] Is Iran's alleged nuke program more of a demographic than military threat to Israel, to be dealt with by expulsion of Palestinians?
shmage at pipeline.com
Sun Feb 12 15:09:51 MST 2012
On Feb 12, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
> I'd say unlikely but not inconceivable.
> 1. The US could get drawn in if Iran retaliates, as it has
> threatened to do, by closing the Strait of Hormuz and driving oil to
> $300 [??] a barrel. Oil importers like the Europeans would support
> the opening of the Strait, and the Chinese would probably quietly go
That's a local, not general, war--and it would be very very profitable
to some important capitalist interests.
> 2. The Arab ruling class fears the Iranians more than the Israelis.
> They would protest ethnic cleansing operations, but I don't expect
> they'd join Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas in a war against Israel, and
> when has condemnation ever stopped these "population transfers" from
> taking place?
But population transfers manu militari across international borders
are acts of war of the most intolerable sort. The Egyptian and
Jordanian regimes could not survive a single day if they acquiesced,
the Lebanese government is dominated by Hezbollah, Iraq is a
dependency of Iran (thanks to Bush's faith-based solution to the
Saddam Hussein problem), and if the Syrian Muslim Brothers replace
Assad they would be even less likely to submit under Israeli aggression.
It would be a general war, not a kerfluffle in the Strait of Hormuz.
>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
>>> I wrote last August:
>>> "...if the Israeli political and military establishment proves
>>> reckless enough to provoke a war, likely drawing in Iran, I don't
>>> think the main impetus would be to distract from these lesser
>>> threats so much as to provide cover in the smoke and din of battle
>>> to expel large numbers of Palestinians from the West Bank,
>>> completing the ethnic cleansing operation of 1948, a long sought
>>> goal of the Zionist right. Nothing else seems to make much sense
>>> given the high stakes involved in such an adventure."
>> How can this be anything but a pipe dream? To expel the
>> Palestinians, whether into Jordan, Egypt, or Lebanon, would be flat-
>> out impossible without a war of aggression not merely against Iran
>> but against *all* its Arab neighbors. Some Zionists may be that
>> pyromaniac, but for Washington, even with the most reactionary of
>> Repugnicons as President, to permit such insanity is quite
>> Shane Mage
>> "scientific discovery is basically recognition of obvious realities
>> that self-interest or ideology have kept everybody from paying
>> attention to"
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