[Marxism] Muhammad film: Israeli director goes into hiding after protests,

Joseph Catron jncatron at gmail.com
Wed Sep 12 14:55:21 MDT 2012

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:43 PM, dan <d.koechlin at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

The fact that Muhammad began as a petty warlord, directing his men to
> pillage and rape has always been acknowledged in Islamic historiography.

I posted the following here in response to similar statements by Dan nine
days ago, but never got a reply, so here it is again:

I'm at risk of getting myself into trouble here, because:

1. There are a couple of different minefields through which to wade;
2. The ancient world as a whole lacked anything corresponding to our
understanding of rape, so any attempt to read its texts through that frame
will quickly run into problems; and
3. I'm appallingly ignorant of the hadiths.

For those reasons, I'll simply say that I've seen arguments, seemingly
convincing, that the situation was not as cut-and-dried as you claim.
Here's one:


That said, I know of no seventh-century sources that conceptualized sex as
the product of individual consent, in the way we (sans Sparts and WSWS)

"Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen

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